The best thing you can do for the fediverse is just be kind
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The thing that I appreciated most about Lemmy and my transition from Reddit is how cordial everyone has been. Even if my comments are taken out of context people tend not to jump down my throat and assume the worst, or make bad faith arguments full of fallacies. I've had legitimate back and forths with people, something that basically never happens on Reddit.
I fuckin love the hear that, I hope we can foster even more of that. It can be so hard online but I really think it's worth it. This space is only as good and as worthwhile as we make it
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Getting better at communication takes time and practice. Depending on where someone is in that journey, a post like this can make a big difference. And I think we can all use a reminder to be kind every so often. So, thanks for taking the time to write this out
It does! Small changes over time can add up to incredible people skills and the ability to win hearts and minds
️Thank you so much for the kind words my friend, I hope you have a lovely day!
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Love you guys
Love you too man!
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D'aww, thanks. Always lovely to see your username and pfp around
take care!That's so nice of you - likewise
Ooh, looking forward to it!
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I totally agree with your message.
These days everyone who is not ultra-left easily gets labelled as Nazi, similarly everyone who brings up any rather left argument will be called a woke snowflake.
Thus, any dialog is immediately shut down. Listen, understand, exchange arguments.
That is what unites everyone who believes in liberal values.
It's a rough time, not helped by how profoundly important politics is right now. And the more broken the state of things get, the more divided we become, and the harder it gets to look others in the eyes and be okay with what they're supporting
I don't think there's any easy answer. But I do think it helps to confront people who are doing harm, and open sincere dialogue with people you disagree with (when theyre willing to engage in good faith. No point otherwise.) And try to understand how they got where they are, and share why you don't agree with them
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Well I came here to chew bubblegum and talk shit, and I’m all out of bubblegum.
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I agree that folks should chip in!
Voting specifically doesn't really have meaningful server costs, I think that's really what they were talking about, but your point is very fair
This platform exists only if we decide it's worth existing and give it support
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Right. The Fediverse is the PBS of the social media.
"It's made possible by people like you." Is it worth a few dollars a month? Yes!
I love that connection, it's very much like the PBS of social media
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The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like.
On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there's a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us-
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Be kind
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Ask people what they think, and why
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Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility
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Engage sincerely
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Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say
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Make this small space worth being in
A platform lives or dies by what's available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of "content" or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren't the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction.
Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse's biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space.
The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.
Everyone's been really nice as long as I don't touch anything political - then it becomes a fart sniffing smug fest.
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The ban hammer is too strong here for that to happen
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I'm sorry the world is so scary you have to segment parts of it away from your daily life, I don't have that weakness
Nearly everything has a political facet because politics is at the core of how humanity can even live in this modern way.
Not talking about politics at the dinner table is how we got here and I will not sit by idly while people like you perpetuate that disservice
Be nice
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It's a great idea but unfortunately we don't live in that world anymore. I do hope one day we can get back to that world.
I think a lot of folks immediately thought of something very specific when they saw my post, I really meant to be kind to the people you share this space with :). I feel like maybe it would have been best if I had left all these examples in my original post itself instead of moving them to the comments
- Compliment people's art and ask about their process
- Teach people about something you're knowledgeable on
- Give constructive criticism on peoples projects when it's welcome
- Thank people for posting things you're glad you got to see, tell them you enjoyed it
- Tell people you're glad they're here
- Tell people you hope they have a good day
I moved them cause I wanted to keep my post succinct so folks would actually read it (I have a bad habit of being REALLY long winded lol. Can you tell?
) But I think they really exemplify what I was trying to get across, and leaving only the more challenging philosophical ideas like "approach people you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility" I think kinda prompted people to misunderstand what exactly I meant.I can absolutely empathize with it getting harder to find common ground and build bridges. There's no easy way to do that when more and more people think your humanity is up for debate. But I still think in this little corner of the internet, it's worth trying our hardest to uplift the folks we sit shoulder to shoulder with
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That’s the problem. You see the other side in a way they themselves really aren’t. When people say the left is just as bad as the right, they don’t mean in opinions and policies, but in behavior, just like you’re doing. They both think themselves as having the moral high ground while the other side is complete and utter evil.
Honestly of all the conservatives I know, I don’t think a single one of them is remotely racist in any way. One in particular is agaisnt talking about lgbt stuff in schools but he also has a trans friend and thinks as long as they’re adults it’s fine. It’s not being evil, it’s having a difference in opinion.
People said everything you're saying 30 years ago and used it to justify letting fascism grow unchecked. Now we're here and you are still afraid to be firm. You are why they're in power.
No more compromises. No more chances. No more conversations. People are being abducted. People are dying. There's no time left for patience.
They change NOW. Or they can fuck off.
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What about people that like to talk shit? I enjoy banter give and take. Reddit is full of soft whiners and I'm not into it.
I think there's a fine line between banter and trying to humiliate folks, and sometimes it's awfully hard to find.
I don't really mind banter or jokes, but the idea that it's humor is often what people hide behind when they're being cruel and want to excuse their behavior.
If you can find that line and still be respectful of the human beings you're engaging with, I don't think there's anything at all wrong with that
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Ikr, I like pissing people off then making much of them for not being able to defend their position. I think it's good for engagement
I think it's worth being warry of making other peoples misery your own entertainment, that's a really good way to end up habitually pursuing cruelty
What you're describing sounds like Ben Shapiro to me. Scoring cheap points through argumentative tactic rather than actual merit of stance. Personally I see more value in legitimate exchange of ideas where involved parties can all walk away with a more well rounded perspective.
I see debate as an opportunity to learn from and teach others, not about dunking on people in pursuit of humiliating them
Just my two cents.
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You would think the internet is full of bees looking to make honey but really it’s full of beetles wanting to roll their shit.
The Internet can certainly lend itself to discord and hostility. I think that makes it all the more important we think carefully about what kind of spaces we want to build
Both in the sense that we should pursue kindness, but also in the sense that we should be designing our platforms to be healthy social spaces! Another commenter made some really good points about how important it is that we shape our platforms in a way that facilitates the kind of social spaces we want to he a part of
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OP simply asks people to be kind, People proceed to tear each other apart..
OP now knows how Jesus felt
i gotta lead by example. I gotta lead by example. Lead By Example. IM GONNA LEAD BY EXAMPLE 🥲
we're doin our best out here lol. But that's what it takes! There is no perfect, no "I literally never make mistakes" or "never let my frustration dictate shitty behaviour when compassion would yield the outcome I want"
You gotta decide you care more about what's effective than how good it feels to act on your anger, and then you gotta do your best
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The thing that I appreciated most about Lemmy and my transition from Reddit is how cordial everyone has been. Even if my comments are taken out of context people tend not to jump down my throat and assume the worst, or make bad faith arguments full of fallacies. I've had legitimate back and forths with people, something that basically never happens on Reddit.
Are you even reading the comments on this thread LMAO
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People said everything you're saying 30 years ago and used it to justify letting fascism grow unchecked. Now we're here and you are still afraid to be firm. You are why they're in power.
No more compromises. No more chances. No more conversations. People are being abducted. People are dying. There's no time left for patience.
They change NOW. Or they can fuck off.
I have no issues with facists fucking off. The problem is most people on lemmy seem to give just about everyone they disagree with a facist tag. Honestly in the US I agree the situation is different, but here in canada, I haven’t heard of anyone dying or being abducted by conservatives.
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OP simply asks people to be kind, People proceed to tear each other apart..
OP now knows how Jesus felt
That'll do it
