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US ambassador to Israel says US no longer pursuing goal of independent Palestinian state

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  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

    Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.

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    Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump

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    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

      Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

      https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/

      They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.

      https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/tête-à-tête/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

      They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.

      Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.

      https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel

      Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:

      In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.

      In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.

      Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.

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      Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid

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      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

        Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.

        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069

        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo

        Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.

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        Iran don't want to attack the united statr. Thr united state does

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        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

          Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

          Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

          Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

          The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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          "No longer" they didn't pursue it from the start, just pretended to.

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          • I [email protected]

            So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.

            Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?

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            Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.

            Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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            • R [email protected]

              Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid

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              Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.

              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections

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              • R [email protected]

                Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump

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                Problem: That's not why Biden armed Israel.

                Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That's a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.

                Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.

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                • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                  Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections

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                  You basically admit that israel need american politicians to send thrm money and protect them diplomatically for any consequences. It's a win win for israel and the politicians.

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                  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                    Problem: That's not why Biden armed Israel.

                    Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That's a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.

                    Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.

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                    Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.

                    Your country has no ligitimate defence

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                    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                      Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.

                      Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.

                      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

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                      Could Israel flatten all of Gaza with sniper bullets?

                      Have you seen any actual combat footage from Gaza which is not American F35 planes dropping 2000 pound bombs on tents? There is good reason Israel does not dare to do anything except bomb from the sky.

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                        Could Israel flatten all of Gaza with sniper bullets?

                        Have you seen any actual combat footage from Gaza which is not American F35 planes dropping 2000 pound bombs on tents? There is good reason Israel does not dare to do anything except bomb from the sky.

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                        Nope, but they don't need to do that for a genocide either. It started when they began blocking food and medical supplies in the 90s.

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                          Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.

                          Your country has no ligitimate defence

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                          We aren't talking about Iran wanting to attack the US, they want to (and repeatedly have) attacked Israel, which is why Biden was supporting Israel.

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                          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                            We aren't talking about Iran wanting to attack the US, they want to (and repeatedly have) attacked Israel, which is why Biden was supporting Israel.

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                            Ok sorry for misreading you.

                            Why biden should protect a state occupying palestinian for 57 years? Why do you agree with biden being complicit?

                            Biden support israel for the usa imperialism and ideology

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                              Yes and Eastern civilizations would do it too if they had the power. This is a human problem, not just a western problem.

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                              Maybe, but the theft of indigenous lands is a continuum from the western European empires of yore to what's on the news today, so what I'm talking about is a concrete reality that is unfolding (yet again) right in front of us, while you're talking about a probability that things might be the same if, if, if...

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                                You basically admit that israel need american politicians to send thrm money and protect them diplomatically for any consequences. It's a win win for israel and the politicians.

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                                Oh, no, they don't NEED the money, they WANT the money. 🙂 Big difference.

                                Same as you or I would if we had our own lobbying firm.

                                I should say too... this is not unique to Israel. The American Military Industrial Complex is based on "Please give us lucrative contracts you don't need so we can spend money in red state communities that vote for you."

                                This is how we get billion dollar contracts for things we don't need, but can't be killed because of donations to the politicians.

                                https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/28/pentagon-tells-congress-to-stop-buying-equipment-it-doesnt-need.html

                                https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/04/army-made-tank-it-doesnt-need-and-cant-use-now-its-figuring-out-what-do-it/404877/

                                https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/04/27/would-you-pay-1-7-trillion-for-a-plane-that-couldnt-fly/

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  Why am I skirting any rule? Those like you include you. I've even said explicitly on your quote.

                                  You were fooled and you're trying to defend it as some form of moral superiority. You don't care about Gaza, you care more about not admitting you were wrong.

                                  Go ahead and report me, just be careful to not fall from your high horse.

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                                  I've reported you, but not "you" in particular, but those like you in general

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                                    Maybe, but the theft of indigenous lands is a continuum from the western European empires of yore to what's on the news today, so what I'm talking about is a concrete reality that is unfolding (yet again) right in front of us, while you're talking about a probability that things might be the same if, if, if...

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                                    So your argument is that it isn't a human thing and easterners are superior to westerners? Would that be a race thing?

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                                    • R [email protected]

                                      Ok sorry for misreading you.

                                      Why biden should protect a state occupying palestinian for 57 years? Why do you agree with biden being complicit?

                                      Biden support israel for the usa imperialism and ideology

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                                      Because following the holocaust the world decided that everyone owed the Jewish people a homeland and the US was a key player in a) ending the holocaust and b) making Israel happen.

                                      No US President is going to turn their back on that. Biden did not do anything different than every other president in the past 70 years.

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                                        I don't see an acceleration. Israel is trying to kill the most number of palestinians while the united snake send billions to israel

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                                        For one, look at the article headline.

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                                          For one, look at the article headline.

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                                          For one stop, believing the USA without thinking before

                                          The USA been voted no to UN resolutions to recognize a Palestinian independent state since 1974.

                                          I prefer an honest scum who say we oppose a two state solution or any other type of solution than a hypocrite scum who claim to want one

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