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It's become strawman arguments to create different tribes.

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  • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

    The issue isn’t about China or what they do well or do badly.

    Almost nobody on “those instances” believes Russia or China is socialist.

    China is Schroeder's Communism. Nobody seems to know whether it is a failed state because of their broken backwards Marxism or a juggernaut that's doing capitalism more Libertarianly than we are.

    All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.

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    All we can really agree on is that the country is ontologically evil and must be stopped at all costs.

    But at what cost?

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    • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

      Just to remind you, the only one's threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia

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      What were we doing in Iraq, again? Why are we still occupying Cuba, 60 years after they told us to leave? How come we have military bases all over the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands and the Middle East and West Africa?

      Also, what has Israel been doing in Lebanon and Syria?

      And while we're at it, what is India doing in Kashmir?

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        Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.

        Which is great if you ignore everything else.

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        I'm curious how that will play out. They removed the carrot but kept the stick.

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        • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

          What were we doing in Iraq, again? Why are we still occupying Cuba, 60 years after they told us to leave? How come we have military bases all over the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands and the Middle East and West Africa?

          Also, what has Israel been doing in Lebanon and Syria?

          And while we're at it, what is India doing in Kashmir?

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          Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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            Trump dismantled US soft power. A lot of it happened in his first term, Biden built back some of it around the invasion of Ukraine, but Trump II has destroyed it further.

            Which is great if you ignore everything else.

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            I am not American. Fuck US politics but also screw you for being so self-centred

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            • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

              I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.

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              Germany no, not directly. Indirectly they are collaborating with their ally and shielding their foreign policy. Like saying only those US rivals are dangerous. Indicating we need to invest in more weapons to defend ourselves against the bad guys. Europe probably should create their own military alliance to decouple from US military aggression, and stop supporting US sanctions / economic aggression.

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                Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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                You think America was the only country that invaded Iraq? Learn some history.

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                • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                  Just to remind you, the only one's threatening or in fact undertaking territorial military expansion are China and Russia

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                  Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Syria, half of Africa, half of South America, etc. And yes, overthrowing a government to install a puppet counts as territorial expansion.

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                  • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                    I am not happy with how my country conducts its foreign affairs, but apart from its shameful stance on Israels war on Palestine, the points you mentioned can not be really made.

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                    You're country is balls deep in a modern holocaust.

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                    • riddersport@feddit.orgR [email protected]

                      Dude I am not American stop being so self-centred.

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                      Don't try to dodge the question

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