Framework ships RISC-V board for its 13" laptops along with "boardless" laptop chassis.

[mehdi_benadel@lemmy.balamb.fr]

Can someone shut up the edgy guys trying to play Nostradamus? Go play with your x86 and overpriced nvidia RTX cards that you use only to run one lame game. People building the future don't care about your prejudices.

[leftzero@lemmynsfw.com]

The NT kernel is built on top of a hardware abstraction layer, which should make it easier to port it to different architectures.

[tekato@lemmy.world]

Is there even an inkling of a plan to go from "dev kit" to "widely available consumer product?"

It’s not a dev kit, it’s meant to be a regular PC with upgradable storage, RAM, and PCIe slot for $120. Milk-V and other RISC-V companies already have widely available consumer products (Milk-V Mars, Banana Pi, etc.), they’re just usually SBCs because that’s what’s easiest to produce and RISC-V is early in development. Remember that the first standard with Vector instructions just came out a few months ago (RVA23), and there’s no point in trying to seriously compete with X86/ARM PCs until you have that.

Even a lot of x86 devices are going to the soldered everything approach.

That right there tells you this is not a RISC-V/ARM problem. It’s just that everyone knows on-SOC memory performs better than DIMM, and manufacturers are starting to offer these to compete with Apple M chips.

[thebigslime@lemmy.world]

Yes it supported PPC and MIPS, which are RISC platforms.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

Boardless? What, like, components connected directly to the chassis instead?

That sounds like ass.

[moose@moose.best]

It's just the chassis, screen, battery, and keyboard. You would just buy one of their boards separately to go in it, or make one yourself I suppose.

[finitebanjo@lemmy.world]

Ah okay, thank you for explaining it to me.

[captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works]

I didn't say it's a problem inherent to RISC-V; it's more that anyone who can make the jump to RISC-V (or ARM) will do so in a locked down sealed shut proprietary format like Apple, or doesn't have the capability of making a platform shift at all like Microsoft. You could make an ATX form factor ARM or RISC-V machine with a lot of processing power and run Linux on it, but who would buy it and for what? That question is why no one makes such a thing.

[tekato@lemmy.world]

You could make an ATX form factor ARM or RISC-V machine with a lot of processing power and run Linux on it, but who would buy it and for what? That question is why no one makes such a thing.

The same people who buy ATX form factor x86? The only thing making these platforms different is software support, which is getting better for RISC-V everyday. You wouldn’t buy a RISC-V computer today for high performance gaming or scientific computing, but it definitely works as a general purpose machine (web browsing, office apps, watching videos, etc.) This year shouldn’t see much progress in hardware since RVA23 just came out (maybe some RVA22 + V), but you can expect some nice things to come out 2026-2027 since now you have all you need to build a competent RISC-V CPU.

[mac@mander.xyz]

I'm sure they care about your butthurt-ass comment. lmao

[roguebanana@lemmy.zip]

From what I can see, arm Linux itself is still a very small market so I don't see how a small company could work on it and make a profit from that. Maybe once it becomes more mainstream and there is a bigger demand for it, they would definitely consider it. I would rather have them focus on what they have and expand their production, cost and sales region at the moment.

[cmhe@lemmy.world]

If ARM is a small market, RISC-V is even smaller.

I personally like when boundaries are pushed, and welcome more independence on x86.

[octoblade@lemmynsfw.com]

Yeah, porting the kernel is the "easy" part for any OS. Its the user space and building up a software ecosystem for the new architecture that is a pain in the ass.

[lengau@midwest.social]

If someone who makes ARM hardware wants to make a mainboard, I'd imagine Framework will work with them under the same conditions they're working with DeepComputing on the RISC-V one.

[thewilliamist@lemmy.world]

To be fair, most/all kernels are written on a hardware abstraction layer, although lot of that kernel was built off of VMS…

[frezik@midwest.social]

. . . arm Linux itself is still a very small market . . .

Ahem

[mehdi_benadel@lemmy.balamb.fr]

I don't care about them or their shitty opinion, if you did not understand me

[aa5b@lemmy.world]

These guys are a pretty big deal

• https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/

[rumba@lemmy.zip]

Cheaper, better high-speed connections, lack of upgradability.

a great number of laptops are already doing this. Apple lead the way.