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Elon Musk's robotaxi will have a human driver for 'safety' reasons

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  • boydster@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

    Waymo doesn't need it, but he does? lol

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    Didn't Waymo start with assisting drivers though? Like I get it, fuck this shitstain, but this seems like a very reasonable approach to self driving cars.

    • Step 1: Prove the concept in a closed environment.
    • Step 2: Prove the concept in an open environment, but with traning wheels in case something goes wrong.
    • Step 3: After extensive testing in step 2, full rollout of final product.
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    • boydster@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

      Waymo doesn't need it, but he does? lol

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      When waymo was first getting qualified, they had human drivers too. Once they had so many miles, they quit needing the humans.

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        Like the Paris metro

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        • mrus@lemmy.sdf.orgM [email protected]

          Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?

          //edit: Forgot I'm on Lemmy. I'll show myself out, comrades.

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          People who are not too stupid or egoistic to see that good things happen with them?

          I love the awesome public transport network here, I love the good maintained hiking paths, I love that I can walk safe outside because of good social security. I love that all people have access to good healthcare here

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          • boydster@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

            Waymo doesn't need it, but he does? lol

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            Waymo also has much more reliable tech. To my knowledge waymos are level 4 while Tesla is only level 2 (which doesn't even qualify as autonomous)

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            • mrus@lemmy.sdf.orgM [email protected]

              Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?

              //edit: Forgot I'm on Lemmy. I'll show myself out, comrades.

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              I do.

              When I fall of my bike, hurt my arm and need a doctor to fix it, I don't have to think about insurance or medical debt, or anything. I just go to the hospital and go back home to heal without paying a dime and with paid leave for as long as I need to recover.

              I also love that I can take an affordable train to go almost everywhere in my country, that universities don't require a loan so high that you will be paying for it for years... I could go on, but you get the idea.

              I love paying taxes because it's way cheaper than the american alternative.

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              • heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                yeah, totally not to keep the robotaxis from being molotoved. although after what musk did, not sure the presence of drivers will stop people.

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                More like:
                "If a "driver" is present and the car decides to kill someone, we can blame it on the human instead of the shoddy programming"

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                  So just a regular Taxi then.....groundbreaking.

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                  • tonytins@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                    I can imagine very few people will be lining up for that job.

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                    In this world where people are DoorDash delivery drivers I wonder what the hell you were thinking and why you don’t think that people aren’t poor enough everywhere to sign up for this

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                    • stamets@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                      So it's a taxi.

                      Motherfucker loves trying to reinvent the wheel only to end up at the goddamn wheel.

                      "I'ma invent a giant system that goes underground so we can move people around faster!" That's a subway, you santorum-covered condom.

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                      The story behind that was that there was a actual plan for public transportation in California, but the hype trains surrounding this diverted all that attentionaway from meaningful changes

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                        Isn't the Cybertruck steering wheel called a squircle?

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                        If so, they stole that name from Sony

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                          Hey man, I got 5 kids to feed

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                          I thought you said six

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                            So just a regular Taxi then.....groundbreaking.

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                            if he innovates even more he might eventually invent trains!

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                              More fraud.

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                              • boydster@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

                                Waymo doesn't need it, but he does? lol

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                                That's because Tesla self-driving takes a different, and imo way worse, approach.

                                Waymo relies on mapping, the entire city is basically 3D modelled and loaded into the car memory. It's more or less 'on rails'.
                                It also uses LIDAR for live data alongside imaging cameras, again building a 3D model of its environment combined with image recognition.

                                Tesla decided that, for some reason, they want their cars to drive 'like humans', only relying on vision and deployable anywhere, without pre-mapping.

                                Demanding a computer to behave like humans, instead of using a computer's strengths, seems like a very poorly thought out move to me.

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                                  So the headline is pretty inaccurate.

                                  There will be a person in the passenger seat. They aren't a safety driver, or driver at all. They've been operating with an actual safety driver for around a year now for employees only.

                                  We don't really know what they'll do, but I highly doubt it's jump for the wheel if it's about to do something. I think it's going to be more of a, the car decides it can't do anything and is just sitting there incorrectly and they won't have to dispatch someone to fix it like Waymo does. This could be a legitimate saftey issue if the car is just stuck on the road.

                                  Once they're happy it's not getting in situations like that they'll remove the person and dispatch people as needed.

                                  But we won't know for a few more days when we get reports of what they're doing while the first people test it.

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                                  Designated scapegoat

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                                    Imagine that job though. It is your job to be a scapegoat for traffic collisions.

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                                    Fantastic use of traffic collision, great reference.

                                    "Accident implies there's nobody to blame."

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                                      That's because Tesla self-driving takes a different, and imo way worse, approach.

                                      Waymo relies on mapping, the entire city is basically 3D modelled and loaded into the car memory. It's more or less 'on rails'.
                                      It also uses LIDAR for live data alongside imaging cameras, again building a 3D model of its environment combined with image recognition.

                                      Tesla decided that, for some reason, they want their cars to drive 'like humans', only relying on vision and deployable anywhere, without pre-mapping.

                                      Demanding a computer to behave like humans, instead of using a computer's strengths, seems like a very poorly thought out move to me.

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                                      drive 'like humans', only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.

                                      Demanding a computer to behave like humans

                                      So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.

                                      A human taxi driver doesn't work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.

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                                        drive 'like humans', only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.

                                        Demanding a computer to behave like humans

                                        So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.

                                        A human taxi driver doesn't work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.

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                                        Because he seems to base his ideas purely on how cool he thinks they are rather than practicality and efficiency (such as the hidden tesla door handles).

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          So just a regular Taxi then.....groundbreaking.

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                                          He did it again. Except now you have a shitty robo taxi with a driver that pays no attention. The worst of both worlds.

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