Elon Musk's robotaxi will have a human driver for 'safety' reasons
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Because he seems to base his ideas purely on how cool he thinks they are rather than practicality and efficiency (such as the hidden tesla door handles).
Very stupid.
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Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?
//edit: Forgot I'm on Lemmy. I'll show myself out, comrades.
I do. They make sure that my family which is borderline in proverty and barely able to live sometimes can actually survive.
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So..... A regular taxi, then?
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SMH not even 700 ppl remote working in India like Amazon
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So..... A regular taxi, then?
🤭No, this will be less convenient and more expensive. Like the tesla tunnel thing in Vegas: subway, but much worse.
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This is not news. It was always the plan to start using model y’s with drivers. Consider the timing - they are supposed to start offering the services now or soon, but are not yet building robotaxi.
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Will the driver be dressed like Optimus?
Optimus doesn't wear clothes.
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That's because Tesla self-driving takes a different, and imo way worse, approach.
Waymo relies on mapping, the entire city is basically 3D modelled and loaded into the car memory. It's more or less 'on rails'.
It also uses LIDAR for live data alongside imaging cameras, again building a 3D model of its environment combined with image recognition.Tesla decided that, for some reason, they want their cars to drive 'like humans', only relying on vision and deployable anywhere, without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans, instead of using a computer's strengths, seems like a very poorly thought out move to me.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]While I don’t want to fanboi too much ….. as long as nobody is able to do self driving, any approach has potential. Teslas approach has the huge advantage of starting with millions of potential vehicles and they will soon be able to crank out a quarter million robotaxis every year, whereas Waymo is not ready to scale up. They’re going all in with a potential approach and if it succeeds are in position to disrupt the industry.
It might not succeed, but no other company has succeeded yet either. The difference is they went all in, and they were willing to try something different than Internet wisdom
(Actually, as a big fan of what Tesla used to represent, this worries me about their future: Cybertruck flopped, robotaxi may not succeed for years, semi is a very conservative market they may not be able to break into or will be slow take up , and Optimus doesn’t yet have a market. They’re making some extremely risky moves at the same time their profit margins are under a lot of pressure. )
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drive 'like humans', only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans
So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.
A human taxi driver doesn't work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.
Does the taxi driver remember every sign in the city, every road and parking spot? No. They are humans - they remember the streets, some important spots that are confusing, maybe a couple of shortcuts. There is a huge difference between having a 3d map of everything in the city in the memory, and setting a GPS to an address, reading the signs as you go by and adhering to them. Also if self driving tech is to expand, you don't go putting the entire world into memory - that's not scaleable.
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drive 'like humans', only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans
So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.
A human taxi driver doesn't work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.
GPS is knowledge of the city. Most cities publish detailed street map data that is immediately imported into gps maps. The car relies on the gps not just for navigating, but even deciding things like what lane. And of course gps’s have much more complete traffic data than your human taxi driver ever did.
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drive 'like humans', only relying on vision […] without pre-mapping.
Demanding a computer to behave like humans
So basically their taxis will go into the job of driving a taxi without any prior knowledge of the city? Like a human? Only relying on road signs? Will it also stop to ask for directions? Like wtf? What kind of stupid idea is this from Tesla. Sounds absolutely moronic.
A human taxi driver doesn't work like this. They are people who know the city very well going in, or at least used to before GPS navigation in vehicles came to aid.
He's famously said that humans are good enough with just our two eyes. So he went the cheap route of not including lidar and relying on stereoscopic cameras.
He's an idiot. Because when I want stuff automated, I want it to be better than what a human can do.
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Wait, who actually likes paying taxes?
//edit: Forgot I'm on Lemmy. I'll show myself out, comrades.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I believe paying taxes is a fair tradeoff for living in a society. My concerns are that those taxes be applied fairly, even if that impacts me, and that they be used to improve society for its people, even if it costs me more.
I know people who are elderly or have lower income, I have kids in college, I have been between jobs in parts of my career, I’ve had major medical emergencies in my family …. And I have the empathy to want no one to go through that without assistance. I know the only way for people to “pick themselves up by their bootstraps” (I know, I know), is that when they fall off the tightrope they are caught before hitting the ground. I know the only way to break the cycle of poverty and crime is for kids to start with the same opportunities as their peers. I know that technology and science can be directed and accelerated by targeted investments. And yes, even if it costs me more. My successes are a product of my society and it is fair for them to feed back into society
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Didn't Waymo start with assisting drivers though? Like I get it, fuck this shitstain, but this seems like a very reasonable approach to self driving cars.
- Step 1: Prove the concept in a closed environment.
- Step 2: Prove the concept in an open environment, but with traning wheels in case something goes wrong.
- Step 3: After extensive testing in step 2, full rollout of final product.
Elon made the intentional decision to NOT use LIDAR because he's a cheapskate and unwilling to take input. He is not using an even remotely reasonable approach. He chose not to use a reasonable approach on purpose.
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No, this will be less convenient and more expensive. Like the tesla tunnel thing in Vegas: subway, but much worse.
The autonomous taxis near me are legit more expensive than lift and Uber, the only time I tried to use it at least.
They've also got agents watching you inside the autonomous taxi at all times, so that's fun.
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- Will have a driver in the "robo" taxi
- Will need to only run on specific area at specific time frame
- Won't run in "bad" weather
- Has all other kinds of small rules and quirks.
This seems like a complete waste of time for everyone involved.
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Optimus doesn't wear clothes.
Answer the fucking question.
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More like Hobotaxi, am I right?
Or Nobotaxi, if that's funnier. Whichever you like is fine.
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So the headline is pretty inaccurate.
There will be a person in the passenger seat. They aren't a safety driver, or driver at all. They've been operating with an actual safety driver for around a year now for employees only.
We don't really know what they'll do, but I highly doubt it's jump for the wheel if it's about to do something. I think it's going to be more of a, the car decides it can't do anything and is just sitting there incorrectly and they won't have to dispatch someone to fix it like Waymo does. This could be a legitimate saftey issue if the car is just stuck on the road.
Once they're happy it's not getting in situations like that they'll remove the person and dispatch people as needed.
But we won't know for a few more days when we get reports of what they're doing while the first people test it.
Another card carrying church of Elon Cult menbdr
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He's famously said that humans are good enough with just our two eyes. So he went the cheap route of not including lidar and relying on stereoscopic cameras.
He's an idiot. Because when I want stuff automated, I want it to be better than what a human can do.
humans are good enough with just our two eyes
This requires the car to have an equally sophisticated visual cortex as well, which we cannot achieve right now. Cars need those better sensors to equal our abilities.
God, hearing his stupid arguments shows us he really knows nothing about anything.
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GPS is knowledge of the city. Most cities publish detailed street map data that is immediately imported into gps maps. The car relies on the gps not just for navigating, but even deciding things like what lane. And of course gps’s have much more complete traffic data than your human taxi driver ever did.
Exactly!
