Have you given up on America?
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There are some lovely, smart and aware people in that huge country. It's not homogeneous. But overall? It won't get much better without a revolution. And that's a huge ask. It's possible, other countries have managed despite police repression and mass illiteracy, but it's a long journey, and I wouldn't be surprised if the people with the awareness and the means will just try fleeing instead.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah, it would take a particularly competent, wise and self-sacrificial dude/tte or team to wrangle the masses of hateful tards, kindly direct them towards thought, morality and prosociality, and make something new out of country that was baptized in the blood of innocents (and loves taking blood baths!).
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Yeah, it would take a particularly competent, wise and self-sacrificial dude/tte or team to wrangle the masses of hateful tards, kindly direct them towards thought, morality and prosociality, and make something new out of country that was baptized in the blood of innocents (and loves taking blood baths!).
Make no mistake, this is far beyond one dude/ette. You'd need a whole (non-electoral) well-organized party to educate and agitate, and earn the support of many thousands or even millions of citizens through their actions, in order to build the necessary movement.
Again, it's been done before and under more oppressive conditions, but it's a tough road.
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Make no mistake, this is far beyond one dude/ette. You'd need a whole (non-electoral) well-organized party to educate and agitate, and earn the support of many thousands or even millions of citizens through their actions, in order to build the necessary movement.
Again, it's been done before and under more oppressive conditions, but it's a tough road.
Forgive my ignorance but would you be willing to list those more opressive conditions where they were successful?
Could really use some hope right now....
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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?
I think I have given up on America to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.
I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.
There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.
So what gives, really? Live you life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.
I think, in politics like physics, every reaction provokes an equal and opposite reaction.
Obama, a calm, intelligent, “post-racial” president, provoked Trump, a talentless, deranged assclown.
Trump will in turn provoke an more belligerent left, as is already happening (DNC vice chair David Hogg earmarking 20 mil to primary centrist Dems, AOC potentially primarying Schumer, etc)
More importantly, business is waking up to the fact that having someone they can’t control in the White House is bad for them. Dems have the killer instinct of a soggy donut, which is why they lose so much, but CEOs do not. The hit pieces conservative publications put out during the tariff spat last month were brutal.
As to your specific points, I’m not sure people complain about commercials anymore given that most people stream, which has far less than traditional TV.
As for wages during the pandemic, they increased at the highest rate in 30 years for low earners, so there wasn’t much to complain about there.
Finally I’d like to point out that the international bed shitting, as you correctly put it, is almost exclusively a Republican phenomenon. Iraq and Afghanistan? Republican.
Vietnam? Started by a dem, but only because reps had poinsoned the well with the Red Scare and “they lost China” so that any weakness to communist was political suicide. Increased by a republican.
Support for Israel regardless of their behavior? Definitely both parties, but any complaints come from Dems.
Support for Ukraine in their fight for freedom? All Dems and very few reps at this point.
For those of us that are both angry and embarrassed at this president, his party and his people, we can’t help that, like Isaac Asimov put it, “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”. But we’re damn sure not gonna give up fighting back.
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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?
I think I have given up on America to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.
I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.
There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.
So what gives, really? Live you life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.
I will continue to fight, annoy, and agitate the capitalist status quo. Majority of Americans do not agree with current politics, our current "leader", or oligarchs controlling everything.
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I think, in politics like physics, every reaction provokes an equal and opposite reaction.
Obama, a calm, intelligent, “post-racial” president, provoked Trump, a talentless, deranged assclown.
Trump will in turn provoke an more belligerent left, as is already happening (DNC vice chair David Hogg earmarking 20 mil to primary centrist Dems, AOC potentially primarying Schumer, etc)
More importantly, business is waking up to the fact that having someone they can’t control in the White House is bad for them. Dems have the killer instinct of a soggy donut, which is why they lose so much, but CEOs do not. The hit pieces conservative publications put out during the tariff spat last month were brutal.
As to your specific points, I’m not sure people complain about commercials anymore given that most people stream, which has far less than traditional TV.
As for wages during the pandemic, they increased at the highest rate in 30 years for low earners, so there wasn’t much to complain about there.
Finally I’d like to point out that the international bed shitting, as you correctly put it, is almost exclusively a Republican phenomenon. Iraq and Afghanistan? Republican.
Vietnam? Started by a dem, but only because reps had poinsoned the well with the Red Scare and “they lost China” so that any weakness to communist was political suicide. Increased by a republican.
Support for Israel regardless of their behavior? Definitely both parties, but any complaints come from Dems.
Support for Ukraine in their fight for freedom? All Dems and very few reps at this point.
For those of us that are both angry and embarrassed at this president, his party and his people, we can’t help that, like Isaac Asimov put it, “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”. But we’re damn sure not gonna give up fighting back.
But we’re damn sure not gonna give up fighting back.
(DNC vice chair David Hogg earmarking 20 mil to primary centrist Dems, AOC potentially primarying Schumer, etc)
An anti gun zealot and someone who voted to prevent union strikes.
We are gonna give up fighting back if this is our future with the democrats. More reason to pass electoral reform so additional political parties can participate in the electoral process.
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Yeah, it would take a particularly competent, wise and self-sacrificial dude/tte or team to wrangle the masses of hateful tards, kindly direct them towards thought, morality and prosociality, and make something new out of country that was baptized in the blood of innocents (and loves taking blood baths!).
Hey, please don’t use ableist slurs. It’s easy to criticize conservatives without doing so.
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Make no mistake, this is far beyond one dude/ette. You'd need a whole (non-electoral) well-organized party to educate and agitate, and earn the support of many thousands or even millions of citizens through their actions, in order to build the necessary movement.
Again, it's been done before and under more oppressive conditions, but it's a tough road.
Maybe I give up too easily. Let's hope God heard ya and has some plans for the few (?, am I just too negative?) Americans that can still be saved/lay the foundations for a new society. I kinda feel they'll need Him, lol.
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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?
I think I have given up on America to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.
I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.
There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.
So what gives, really? Live you life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If the people can cast off the shackles of the two party system, there could be a tiny chance of turning this boat away from shore. But I wouldn't count on that.
The tribalism runs deep. Advocating to add democracy to our voting system via electoral reform runs into a surprising amount of resistance. People cling to their preferred political party with a white knuckle grip.
Should future elections occur, the wagons will be circled, the most important election ever
will be declared, and any dissent will be labeled as Russian disinformation agents. People will howl for the blood of 3rd party voters and yet do nothing about the First-past-the-post voting system.Nothing will fundamentally change unless things are to get worse somehow, then everything will change.
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This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?
I think I have given up on America to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.
I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn't make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.
There's just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the "Real Owners" want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.
So what gives, really? Live you life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.
wrote last edited by [email protected]don't blame the Americans for where we are friend, that's what the billionaires want you to do.
turn your attention to the rich and powerful who use vote suppression and information control. theyve worked very hard to crush democracy and also to turn away any blame from themselves.
They're so successful that even you—one of the oppressed—would blame your poor and powerless brothers and sisters for the actions of the fascist rich who truly rule this land.
you're right that they're no future in electoral politics, but the majority of Americans are not the problem. if you turn away from that foolishness and look towards your real enemy you'll understand the scope of the problem. then once you see, turn away from that as well and focus on mutual aid within your own community. you will soon see what i mean when i say that American people are better then you're told for yourself.
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I will continue to fight, annoy, and agitate the capitalist status quo. Majority of Americans do not agree with current politics, our current "leader", or oligarchs controlling everything.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Same here.
https://www.nokings.org/?SQF_SOURCE=50501
https://www.fiftyfifty.one/events
One of the speakers from the Mayday protest talked about reforming the government itself from attending town halls to running as candidates for the next term. If we want changes to happen, we need to change, as well.
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don't blame the Americans for where we are friend, that's what the billionaires want you to do.
turn your attention to the rich and powerful who use vote suppression and information control. theyve worked very hard to crush democracy and also to turn away any blame from themselves.
They're so successful that even you—one of the oppressed—would blame your poor and powerless brothers and sisters for the actions of the fascist rich who truly rule this land.
you're right that they're no future in electoral politics, but the majority of Americans are not the problem. if you turn away from that foolishness and look towards your real enemy you'll understand the scope of the problem. then once you see, turn away from that as well and focus on mutual aid within your own community. you will soon see what i mean when i say that American people are better then you're told for yourself.
I explain all of that to those unfortunate manipulated victims of capitalism and they call me a slur and say I'm jealous.
You can absolutely blame the people at some point.
If I tell somebody "that guy's an obvious con artist, don't give him money he's going to scam you. Here's examples of him doing exactly that to the last 5 people. Heres my degree showing that i have specifically studied for years to be able to identify scams" And then that person calls me a cuck while handing his money to the scam artist, I'm going to blame the person I correctly and explicitly warned for not listening to me for the 500th time in a row.
And then the anger increases as every single one of the hundreds of people enthusiastically lining up to give the scam artist money has the same conversation with me.
And then a group of 50 of them get together and decide it's my fault because they think I was being condescending as I explained exactly how they are fucking themselves over.
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don't blame the Americans for where we are friend, that's what the billionaires want you to do.
turn your attention to the rich and powerful who use vote suppression and information control. theyve worked very hard to crush democracy and also to turn away any blame from themselves.
They're so successful that even you—one of the oppressed—would blame your poor and powerless brothers and sisters for the actions of the fascist rich who truly rule this land.
you're right that they're no future in electoral politics, but the majority of Americans are not the problem. if you turn away from that foolishness and look towards your real enemy you'll understand the scope of the problem. then once you see, turn away from that as well and focus on mutual aid within your own community. you will soon see what i mean when i say that American people are better then you're told for yourself.
No, you do not get it.
71+ Million. Yes, 71+ million Americans, decided the country's fate last year. You are not going to skew this into a whole "blame the billionaires" spin.
Blaming the billionaires and rich yadda yadda even has its stretch. There are countless pieces of evidence that directly say that - yes - it is the people's fault. It is the American's fault. You wouldn't know that because it sounds like you don't live here and just know.
Trump did everything and I mean everything, to make him look and sound as unappealing as a candidate and retainer for presidency as possible. The guy is a fucking murderer of negligence to over 350,000k Americans during a pandemic. And STILL - Americans willingly picked him.
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I explain all of that to those unfortunate manipulated victims of capitalism and they call me a slur and say I'm jealous.
You can absolutely blame the people at some point.
If I tell somebody "that guy's an obvious con artist, don't give him money he's going to scam you. Here's examples of him doing exactly that to the last 5 people. Heres my degree showing that i have specifically studied for years to be able to identify scams" And then that person calls me a cuck while handing his money to the scam artist, I'm going to blame the person I correctly and explicitly warned for not listening to me for the 500th time in a row.
And then the anger increases as every single one of the hundreds of people enthusiastically lining up to give the scam artist money has the same conversation with me.
And then a group of 50 of them get together and decide it's my fault because they think I was being condescending as I explained exactly how they are fucking themselves over.
I explain all of that to those unfortunate manipulated victims of capitalism and they call me a slur and say I'm jealous.
You can absolutely blame the people at some point.
i understand what you mean, but your voice isn't going to override the professional loudspeakers continuously propagandizing your fellows. right? even if youre the most eloquent and well read person, you don't have the platform or the power
so when i touched on moving past electoral politics, i meant it. there is simply no point in casting blame on your fellows, full stop. nobody needs to hear another damn explanation, right? people are sick of *empty explanations.
if you want to get people to believe in you then focus on what actually matters, and that's food on the table and safety. community. the first two things make up the second, and they are rapidlydisappearing from our lives. That vacuum will be filled. focus on being a part of the solution going forward instead of working about why we are here, and people will follow you
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No, you do not get it.
71+ Million. Yes, 71+ million Americans, decided the country's fate last year. You are not going to skew this into a whole "blame the billionaires" spin.
Blaming the billionaires and rich yadda yadda even has its stretch. There are countless pieces of evidence that directly say that - yes - it is the people's fault. It is the American's fault. You wouldn't know that because it sounds like you don't live here and just know.
Trump did everything and I mean everything, to make him look and sound as unappealing as a candidate and retainer for presidency as possible. The guy is a fucking murderer of negligence to over 350,000k Americans during a pandemic. And STILL - Americans willingly picked him.
wrote last edited by [email protected]i replied to the superior comment. you don't get nothin but a slap in yer gobb and a hearty fuck you
read my other messages until you understand them. do not make this thread suffer your useless mouth
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I explain all of that to those unfortunate manipulated victims of capitalism and they call me a slur and say I'm jealous.
You can absolutely blame the people at some point.
i understand what you mean, but your voice isn't going to override the professional loudspeakers continuously propagandizing your fellows. right? even if youre the most eloquent and well read person, you don't have the platform or the power
so when i touched on moving past electoral politics, i meant it. there is simply no point in casting blame on your fellows, full stop. nobody needs to hear another damn explanation, right? people are sick of *empty explanations.
if you want to get people to believe in you then focus on what actually matters, and that's food on the table and safety. community. the first two things make up the second, and they are rapidlydisappearing from our lives. That vacuum will be filled. focus on being a part of the solution going forward instead of working about why we are here, and people will follow you
Kind of hard to build a community with the people with giant "fuck your feelings" flags on the side of their house.
That's what I'm saying, maybe you can't blame people for believing a lie but you can absolutely blame people for being literally antisocial and willfully ignorant.
I'm not going to waste my time and put my friends and family at risk by trying to build a community with people who would call them slurs. Especially because they are, fundamentally, antisocial assholes.
You try to build something with them and then as soon as that "thing" has any value they'll attack you and try to take it from you. That's their idea of a smart strong guy, being completely willing to fuck over and lie to other people. It's why trumps president, and he's still got north of 90% approval with people who voted for him, which makes up about 70% of my community.
As soon as you had more food then they deemed appropriate, which is going to be basically any amount, they'll take that using the guns they've been hoarding in the hopes of having an excuse to shoot me. Kinda hard to focus on food and security with those people.
Frankly I'm getting pretty tired of the response to me getting upset at fascist to be "yea but you gotta understand they've enthusisatically brainwashed themselves because somebody told them it was a trans person's fault their boss fired him and that seemed like a good point to them"
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i replied to the superior comment. you don't get nothin but a slap in yer gobb and a hearty fuck you
read my other messages until you understand them. do not make this thread suffer your useless mouth
The true ignorance is everything you're writing, chump. I don't have to read everything from you, I skimmed your comment, determined rightly that you're a fucking asshole and I was right. Do the world and society a favor and you know exactly what it is. Take yourself out, you waste of skin.
Enjoy the block too, attention whore.
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The true ignorance is everything you're writing, chump. I don't have to read everything from you, I skimmed your comment, determined rightly that you're a fucking asshole and I was right. Do the world and society a favor and you know exactly what it is. Take yourself out, you waste of skin.
Enjoy the block too, attention whore.
being blocked by a commenter like this is a badge of honor to me. chat, i will in fact enjoy it ngl
