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AfD is the most popular party in Germany for the first time, with a record 26%

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  • F [email protected]

    I read 50% of the men in Germany died in ww2 ….but yea cool Nazis what could go wrong.? Fuck around and find out I guess

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    ...and after the War the allies fell over themselves to get former Nazi ministers reelected. The CDP was funded by the US State Department for decades.

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      ...and after the War the allies fell over themselves to get former Nazi ministers reelected. The CDP was funded by the US State Department for decades.

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      Don't forget NATO being headed up by many Nazi generals.

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      • J [email protected]

        Of course. Here is an AfD quote:

        Sieg Heil! Gas the jews!

        Hope that makes it clearer.

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        Don't you see that false quotes undermine your position?

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        • V [email protected]

          Shit, in the US a $1000 deductible is what you get with pretty good insurance. My employer has a few plans and only one has a deductible below $1000.

          Not to say that's good. Just pointing out that the US has succumbed to capitalism.

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          #197

          pretty good usually mean somewhat expensive too.

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            pretty good usually mean somewhat expensive too.

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            #198

            Yep, costly for the enrollees and their emoyers.

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            • F [email protected]

              So according to you, the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to "remove the outmoded political party system", who want to defund public media because it's "too woke", who want to gut universities, and who want to overthrow the constitutional order are not the fascists?

              Fwiw, German law explicitly allows the government to ask the constitutional court to check whether a party behaves consistently with constitutional order, and if not, outlawing them based on that. German parliamentarians unfortunately seem to have missed the boat on that.

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              Did you just delete my comment and reply to it so no one can see what I actually said, while completely fabricating the message of what I said? Lol

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                Both the US and Germany want to return to their fascist roots it seems

                Decades of capitalist decay and anti-communist propaganda will do that.

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                #200

                Don’t forget about Russia. It is already there and leading in its effort to turn some countries into the same political system, making thereby these countries tries their puppets aka satellites.

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                  I am not the one you are asking, but personally, in my honest opinion: An "emergency government", lets say with a 20 year term, removing far right parties, doing the necessary changes to massively reduce our climate impact and prepare for the ineviteable fallout from climate change and doing other reforms wouldn't be THAT bad of an idea...

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                  It absolutely would be a horrible idea lol. wtf are you talking about?!

                  You’re asking for a dictatorship as long as it’s one that says they’ll do what you want. If you make rules allowing for a political party to remove any competitors and install themselves in power for as long as they want, how could it possibly go wrong?. Jesus christ

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                    It absolutely would be a horrible idea lol. wtf are you talking about?!

                    You’re asking for a dictatorship as long as it’s one that says they’ll do what you want. If you make rules allowing for a political party to remove any competitors and install themselves in power for as long as they want, how could it possibly go wrong?. Jesus christ

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                    No, what i am dalking about is: We WILL see a rise of an authoritarian party in germany in the near future, as we see with many countries worldwide at the moment. And i say: IF we are already doomed to have an authoritarian / fascist regime, i prefer it to be on the ecofascist side. And if there will be an opportunity for such an regime, well, i WILL support it.

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                      Did you just delete my comment and reply to it so no one can see what I actually said, while completely fabricating the message of what I said? Lol

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                      I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here "nazis". I don't know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in there.

                      The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don't like them are the nazis.

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                        I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here "nazis". I don't know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in there.

                        The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don't like them are the nazis.

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                        I’m the one being called a nazi repeatedly! Lol

                        Also your post literally starts with

                        so according to you

                        And then goes on to say a bunch of stuff that I DID NOT SAY NOT EVEN HINT AT - and then you say there was no mischaracterization?

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                          I’m the one being called a nazi repeatedly! Lol

                          Also your post literally starts with

                          so according to you

                          And then goes on to say a bunch of stuff that I DID NOT SAY NOT EVEN HINT AT - and then you say there was no mischaracterization?

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                          I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That's not a mischaracterization of your words.

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                            Germans literally have so many choices of political parties that they can actually elect, why do they have to go for the worst one AfD?

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                              I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That's not a mischaracterization of your words.

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                              The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?

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                              • T [email protected]

                                No, what i am dalking about is: We WILL see a rise of an authoritarian party in germany in the near future, as we see with many countries worldwide at the moment. And i say: IF we are already doomed to have an authoritarian / fascist regime, i prefer it to be on the ecofascist side. And if there will be an opportunity for such an regime, well, i WILL support it.

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                                I don’t think you know what authoritarianism actually is.

                                What countries are we seeing a rise in authoritarianism in currently, with examples of their authoritarian policies?

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                                  The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?

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                                  Don't overinterpret my tongue-in-cheek wording there. Afd is fearmongering about Muslims, Afd wants mass deportation of foreigners, Afd wants an end to to the right to asylum, and Afd wants people with multiple citizenships to give up their German citizenship so they can be deported. And given that they are the German party who got support from Elmo this past election, none of this should be a surprise.

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                                  • W [email protected]

                                    I don’t think you know what authoritarianism actually is.

                                    What countries are we seeing a rise in authoritarianism in currently, with examples of their authoritarian policies?

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                                    I don’t think you know what authoritarianism actually is.

                                    I have relatives in China and Vietnam and lived in both places for extended periods of time... well, let's just say i have a rough estimate...

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                                    • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                                      Germans literally have so many choices of political parties that they can actually elect, why do they have to go for the worst one AfD?

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                                      It's mostly East Germany. Communism's fuckups in that area are still causing suffering today.

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                                        Germans literally have so many choices of political parties that they can actually elect, why do they have to go for the worst one AfD?

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                                        its a few factors in play, one is the normalization of far-right policies by the other big parties (SPD, Greens, Union) and their inability to fix the damage caused by the financial crisis of 2008, the rise of anti-migrant beliefs in the german working class, and a few others

                                        i think this video explains well the rise of the AfD in germany, at this point its only a matter of time until one or more parties decide to make a coalition with the AfD

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                                        • W [email protected]

                                          Just looking at the people around me (mostly colleagues, I'm not friends with this kind of people) it's no surprise, when just about anything triggers them to vote AfD. Some actual examples:

                                          "We have a vegetarian day at the cafeteria now. Stupid Greens forcing me to not eat meat one day a week. I'm going to vote AfD next election."

                                          "They built a new bicycle lane on my way to work. Now I'm forced to stick to the speed limit because of all the bicyclists on MY road blocking me. It's a straight street, I should be able to go 80 even though it's inner city. I've always been going 80 there! Stupid Greens, I'm going to vote AfD next election."

                                          "Supplier X stopped issuing their bikini model calendar. Everything is forbidden nowadays! Noone ever cared for bikini model calenders, but the Greens want to forbid every little piece of fun. Stupid woke culture. I'm going to vote AfD."

                                          And let's not forget that one boss who told me that my life-threatening nut allergy was woke nonsense, because back in his day "everybody just ate what's on the table and noone died, but nowadays everybody has to feel special by making up things they won't eat."

                                          They just want to go back to 1950s culture, when gay people, trans people, allergies, ADHD, autism, veganism, climate change and anything other than straight white dudes and straight white housewives "didn't exist", because how dare the world be more complex than a Rosamunde Pilcher movie.

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                                          The German mindset to capitulate in the face of challenges that cant be solved by doing how things where allways done (since kohl).

                                          By god, nobody wants things like wealth and inheritance taxes to be done like way back when (when they existed).

                                          Ok, unfair the majority of Germans wants them, but this great democracy continuously produces Governments for and by the 1% irrespective of your vote.

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