AfD is the most popular party in Germany for the first time, with a record 26%
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Is the proper response: Well shit.
Did you not realize that they performed incredibly well in the elections? Social media is how they will overthrow the last remaining democracies. France, UK and Canada are next. All the young folks are increasingly more conservative and within 2-6 years, it's going to be game over.
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So in your stupid brain "Not A" is automatically and without any alternatives to equivocate with "the utterly illogical opposite to A"?
- Fear mongering is making people worried.
- You are against this report for doing this to leftists, hence you are against making leftist people worried.
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One predicates the other, though.
Clearly Germany is not doing enough to put a stop to the rising conservatism movement, and the next election might not end as favorably as a result.
The last election was so recent, the new government hasn't even started working yet.
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We are not. It's just a survey and not a vote result.
My guy. You are not seeing the bigger picture.
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- Fear mongering is making people worried.
- You are against this report for doing this to leftists, hence you are against making leftist people worried.
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No for fucks sake. Fearmongering is the irrational exaggeration of a worrisome situation to a degree that incites fear (hence the term fearmongering) and panic.
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Where did I say that? How the fuck do you come up with that being the conclusion of my comment?
Calm down you could have just said “yes the left should be worried but no need to panic” and all would be well.
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Take care of the nazi problem before they take care of you. You already know how that works. Stop allowing them to broadcast nazi propaganda as if it was news.
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Did you not realize that they performed incredibly well in the elections? Social media is how they will overthrow the last remaining democracies. France, UK and Canada are next. All the young folks are increasingly more conservative and within 2-6 years, it's going to be game over.
We really should stop using the term "conservative" for what the self proclaimed "conservative" parties are doing. Because they don't conserve anything. They do the exact opposite. They exploit and destroy.
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I did Nazi that coming.
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Can someone explain how powerful a party can be in Germany with a plurality but without a majority?
That entirely depends on the other parties.
As long as they have less than 50% the other parties could (in theory) band together against them and create a coalition government.
The problem arises when that coalition has to become more diverse. As you can imagine the populist right would rather work together with the far right than with the populist left, so the coalition becomes shaky, paralyzed because they cannot come to agreements. The common denominator will be so small that basically nothing gets done, and the oppositional party will profit from that.
Shaky coalition governments can lead to government breakups and snap elections which in combination with the resulting loss of trust and inability to do anything of the government will likely lead to an even stronger opposition and even more shaky governments or right out majority for the plurality party.
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In phone polls, not an election...
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Calm down you could have just said “yes the left should be worried but no need to panic” and all would be well.
I'm not calming down. This dumb shit happens just far too often lately. I have no idea, why people insinuate things others never said and burn that strawman down, but I'm getting too tired and more and more pissed off by it, to the point where I wonder if it's even worth it or I should rather stop discussing.
Shit's annoying AF.
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The last election was so recent, the new government hasn't even started working yet.
This poll is utterly useless, cause the next election it asks about will be in 4 years.The last election shouldn't even have happened. It only happened because the previous government was unwilling and too incompetent to do their fucking job to the end of their term. And I don't see how the new one will be in any way more competent and/or willing. All they want is to line their pockets.
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Can someone explain how powerful a party can be in Germany with a plurality but without a majority?
This is post election. They didn't have the majority during the elections, so while it is impressive, it doesn't give them new political powers. Also, they require coalition partners, but nobody is willing to do that. If a coalition can be formed between (looking at the chart) Union, SPD, and Greens, that puts them at >50% giving them a majority to govern.
If the new coalition is formed and they don't get their act together within the time of governance, the next elections could be fatal for democracy in Germany. Honestly, like in most other European countries facing threats to democracy, their current governments must take decisive and quick action to make more people happy. However, current governments are trying to play the nazi's game, and they are predictably losing ground because that's not a solution.
Major parties are playing identity politics, trying to be populistic, bundling nazi ideas as their own, or quite simply not uniting like for example the French left-wing parties did (however short-lived that was). They should be:
- decreasing the gap between the rich and everybody else
- improving EU and national sovereignty by promoting non-US products and services to stop the influx of US and Russian propaganda
- taking radical action to make lodging and life in general more affordable (more social housing, making multi-home ownership less attractive, regulating the market more, etc.)
- improving public transport to reduce car dependence to reduce air and noise pollution in cities, which also makes transport more affordable
- providing more education with paid educational leave to allow career switches
- reduce hurdles for creating small businesses and provide guidance for those willing to start businesses
- invest in technology that makes life easier and more comfortable (better internet to reduce trips to office and government offices in particular, subsidies and research into improved heating and heat retention to reduce electricity and gas bills, ...)
and so so much more. A happy, educate populace is much less likely to be duped and and magnitudes less likely to vote against their own interests (like voting for lying politicians or nazis).
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Germany, you're supposed to be good guys this round.
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For what‘s worth it doesn‘t actually matter what potential voters would vote for each and every week when the next election is almost 4 years away. If anything, bold headlines like these only act as a self fulfilling prophecy and are blatant populism. Even a good government can‘t be super popular every single week and the sooner people realize that, the better for democracy. Though I won‘t hold my breath.
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The last election shouldn't even have happened. It only happened because the previous government was unwilling and too incompetent to do their fucking job to the end of their term. And I don't see how the new one will be in any way more competent and/or willing. All they want is to line their pockets.
The previous government failed because the FDP actively worked against it despite being part of it.
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Should the left not be worried?
About a election in 4 years? Not really. At least not yet. This isn‘t news worthy in my opinion because it doesn‘t tell you anything about what the country will look like in 4 years.
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This is post election. They didn't have the majority during the elections, so while it is impressive, it doesn't give them new political powers. Also, they require coalition partners, but nobody is willing to do that. If a coalition can be formed between (looking at the chart) Union, SPD, and Greens, that puts them at >50% giving them a majority to govern.
If the new coalition is formed and they don't get their act together within the time of governance, the next elections could be fatal for democracy in Germany. Honestly, like in most other European countries facing threats to democracy, their current governments must take decisive and quick action to make more people happy. However, current governments are trying to play the nazi's game, and they are predictably losing ground because that's not a solution.
Major parties are playing identity politics, trying to be populistic, bundling nazi ideas as their own, or quite simply not uniting like for example the French left-wing parties did (however short-lived that was). They should be:
- decreasing the gap between the rich and everybody else
- improving EU and national sovereignty by promoting non-US products and services to stop the influx of US and Russian propaganda
- taking radical action to make lodging and life in general more affordable (more social housing, making multi-home ownership less attractive, regulating the market more, etc.)
- improving public transport to reduce car dependence to reduce air and noise pollution in cities, which also makes transport more affordable
- providing more education with paid educational leave to allow career switches
- reduce hurdles for creating small businesses and provide guidance for those willing to start businesses
- invest in technology that makes life easier and more comfortable (better internet to reduce trips to office and government offices in particular, subsidies and research into improved heating and heat retention to reduce electricity and gas bills, ...)
and so so much more. A happy, educate populace is much less likely to be duped and and magnitudes less likely to vote against their own interests (like voting for lying politicians or nazis).
donno about Germany, but here in UK the current government is actually putting through unexpected changes, but its probably invisible to general public. news outlets are generally pro conservatives here
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The last election was so recent, the new government hasn't even started working yet.
This poll is utterly useless, cause the next election it asks about will be in 4 years.But how much longer does AfD's popularity line keep going up before the government does start working? Do we even expect the current government to be meaningfully different from the previous in that regard?
4 years comes quicker than you think.
