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  • R [email protected]

    They banned airbnb in victoria bc last year and rent here has actually went down. From this one single change.

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    What happened is the province made short-term rentals only legal for primary residences and secondary suites.
    That sure helped some, but you can still find airbnb/vrbo listings in Victoria.

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      What happened is the province made short-term rentals only legal for primary residences and secondary suites.
      That sure helped some, but you can still find airbnb/vrbo listings in Victoria.

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      Yeah it freed up entire apartments is what helped. I was able to BUY my own condo due to a slight correction in prices partly thanks to this policy

      I bet someone would have outbid me and made it into an airbnb if not for this policy

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        I live in a small CA mountain town that was "the only town open" during COVID, and as such, Airbnb went apeshit. Well the market got oversaturated and now with people trying to offload these properties or rent them out to long term residents , and shocker, rents are coming down (along with home prices). We still have yoyos trying to get $4k/mo for a 2/1 piece of shit because I'm guessing they're upside down on their mortgage, but those properties have been sitting on the market for at least 6mos. I have zero empathy for the people that bought high and losing their asses because they wanted to make it rich at the expense of our local population.

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        I live in Florida and we had an influx of people. Mainly due to Florida not shutting down during Covid. I traveled to Puerto Rico during that time and they were shut down. Most of the Bahamas Islands were shutdown as well.

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          What is that even supposed to mean? You sold the home to someone else who rents it out?

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          I want to live in your world where everyone owns their own home

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            They banned airbnb in victoria bc last year and rent here has actually went down. From this one single change.

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            But the land lords told us Airbnb doesn't effect rental prices and actually let's people afford homes!

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              This feels like misplaced anger, given that blackstone owns god knows how much of the real estate market ( and have recently been evicting tenants in order to sell, due to the city becoming 'less hospitable' ). But hopefully the new anti airbnb measures have some effect.

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              I don't think it's misplaced, but even if it's not the biggest piece in the puzzle(I honestly don't claim to know) it's still a valuable piece, one might even say it's as valuable as an edge of corner piece of the puzzzle

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                Air bnbs are a cancer. You should be ashamed of yourself if your buying property then renting it out. With what they charge they are able to pay tge mortgage in 3 nights

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                  But the land lords told us Airbnb doesn't effect rental prices and actually let's people afford homes!

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                  lol who said this

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                    In Barcelona?

                    Not everything is solely an american issue, even (especially) when it comes to US companies.

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                    Classic Lemmy where someone says "not every is American" in response to an issue that actually does apply to them

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                    • natenate60@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                      lol who said this

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                      The people letting AirBNBs!

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                        Since no one is answering seriously, I will try. There is a distinct difference in anarchist philosophy between property and possession which I will try to explain with housing.

                        Property is something that is used to oppress people. Which is why anarchist philosophy aims to abolish all property. In this case, housing that is being used for Airbnbs takes a house from someone that could use it to create a home for themselves and their family and instead uses that land and building to make a profit .

                        Possession on the other hand would be someone using that land and building to make a home for themselves and their family, not to make a profit but to survive and exist.

                        Owning one home for yourself is not a property but a possession but owning multiple homes that you use to make a profit is property. So the anarchist solution to this is to give that Airbnb to someone who could make it into a permanent home, not a short term rental.

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                        If property doesn't exist, you can't go on vacation though.

                        When you leave your house, someone else can just come in and take it for himself.

                        You couldn't even go for a walk. The moment you leave the house you stop "possessing" it.

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                          1. progressive taxation of properties that are not a primary residence. Rachet up the taxation for each additional property. I think their should be a certain amount of relief for actually maintaining the building and renting to Section 8/affordable housing programs
                          2. actually enforce zoning. A short term rental is a hotel business and should require a commercial business license and respect the zoning associated with that type of license

                          I fucking hate 2010 venture capital companies like AirBnb and Uber. Flaunt the law in a sexy way, loss lead with the capital to build market share, then crank the price up.

                          It’s always bullshit behind a convenient app with great UI

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                          Man, if only there were some organisation that were powerful enough to enforce these rules against people who don't want to follow them.

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                            1. progressive taxation of properties that are not a primary residence. Rachet up the taxation for each additional property. I think their should be a certain amount of relief for actually maintaining the building and renting to Section 8/affordable housing programs
                            2. actually enforce zoning. A short term rental is a hotel business and should require a commercial business license and respect the zoning associated with that type of license

                            I fucking hate 2010 venture capital companies like AirBnb and Uber. Flaunt the law in a sexy way, loss lead with the capital to build market share, then crank the price up.

                            It’s always bullshit behind a convenient app with great UI

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                            Aren't taxes and zoning non-existent under anarchy?

                            If there is no state, there is no one to pay taxes to. And if there is no state, there is no one to make and enforce zoning laws.

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                              Do you even know what anarchism is like at all?

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                              Pasting the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article here:

                              Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that seeks to abolish all institutions that perpetuate authority, coercion, or hierarchy, primarily targeting the state and capitalism. Anarchism advocates for the replacement of the state with stateless societies and voluntary free associations. A historically left-wing movement, anarchism is usually described as the libertarian wing of the socialist movement (libertarian socialism).

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                                The people letting AirBNBs!

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                                Okay, but who. I want the name of a specific person or organisation and a link to where they said that. Because it's such a stupid statement that I'm not going to just take someone's word that someone was dumb enough to say it or thought people would be dumb enough to believe it.

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                                  If property doesn't exist, you can't go on vacation though.

                                  When you leave your house, someone else can just come in and take it for himself.

                                  You couldn't even go for a walk. The moment you leave the house you stop "possessing" it.

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                                  It is absolutely possible to go on vacation without oppressing or exploiting others. It happens all the time. You can avoid Airbnbs and stay in a hotel, camp, sleep in a car, or just stay home.

                                  I really don't understand how you came to the conclusion that you cease possession of something the moment you end physical contact with it. You're gonna have to walk me through that one if you want to actually argue that point.

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                                    I've never understood the appeal of AirBNBs, letting complete strangers stay at my house sounds like it'd be an absolute NIGHTMARE.

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                                      Okay, but who. I want the name of a specific person or organisation and a link to where they said that. Because it's such a stupid statement that I'm not going to just take someone's word that someone was dumb enough to say it or thought people would be dumb enough to believe it.

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                                      It was all over the BC online forums when the province banned short term rentals outside primary residence.

                                      There were op eds, bad studies, lying companies etc. Here a few from quick internet search

                                      A crappy study trying to gaslight people. This was all over. https://www.biv.com/news/real-estate/airbnbs-dont-cause-residential-rent-increases-conference-board-8273746

                                      Air bnb makes the argument they aren't responsible
                                      https://www.airbnb.ca/e/closerlook

                                      Arguing it lowers costs
                                      https://news.ncsu.edu/2024/10/airbnb-and-housing-costs/

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                                        Airbnb used to be great.. I could rent out a spare room and make a bit of cash. Then the developers, and the people who weren't responsible enough to be landlords had to make houses that were all AirBnb.

                                        Why don't these places vet Airbnbs instead of straight banning it. Owner occupied dwellings should get a pass.

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                                          If property doesn't exist, you can't go on vacation though.

                                          When you leave your house, someone else can just come in and take it for himself.

                                          You couldn't even go for a walk. The moment you leave the house you stop "possessing" it.

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                                          If property doesn’t exist, you can’t go on vacation though.

                                          We're getting dangerously close to "under Communism, you will share a toothbrush"

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