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Very positively surprised by how seamless the switch from Windows was

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  • S [email protected]

    Who on earth still burns disks (other than pizzas) in 2025?

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    Me, they retain data alot longer than any solid state data storage device. They are much more usable for archival storage. Also I burn CD's to listen to music on my Stereo.

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      Me too, so we

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      That don't mean people don't still burn discs just because you and whoever else doesn't.

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        Today, I switched the last of my Windows machines to Linux: my gaming PC. I've been using Linux on servers for many years but was a bit apprehensive for gaming.

        Turns out it just... works. Just installed steam and turned proton on, have zero performance or other issues. I'm using Ubuntu 25.04 for the 6.14 kernels NT emulation performance tweaks. Aside from there not being a catalyst driver for it and so I can't undervolt my card everything is great.

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        My only hangup is installing repacks or modding games. It for sure works, but it's a bigger headache. I use mint on my daily driver laptop otherwise.

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        • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          That don't mean people don't still burn discs just because you and whoever else doesn't.

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          Yeah and we're still we.

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            Installing windows step 4 if you're playing games not off the main stores, install:

            • DirectX 9 Jun 2010
            • Visual C++ Redistributables (2008 - whatever the latest is)
            • .NET Framework 3.5 (if you wanna play older games. You have to do this from from programs and features)
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            I did not count it since steam does it automatically usually.

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            • swizzlestick@lemmy.zipS [email protected]

              To its credit (of which there is little), Windows can handle most things these days just fine without externally obtained drivers. Gradually improving since 7 onwards. The only sore spots really are proper gfx drivers and printers. 10 and beyond will also gracefully handle being drive-swapped into completely different hardware.

              If it's a reinstall, activation is automatic for OEM licences.

              Step 4, yes, what a shitshow. Way too many hoops and hurdles to go through just to get a functional OS without the bloat and guff.

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              "just fine" is not what gamers want, besides sometimes new drivers offer sizeable boosts to stability and framerates.

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                Step 5. Watch it reboot overnight and download even more useless bloat

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                Or quit out of your game to restart and install updates.

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                  Step 5. Watch it reboot overnight and download even more useless bloat

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                  Oh and step 7:
                  Spend 10 minutes quitting, restarting discord and then restarting your pc to fix innumerable and common audio bugs caused by terrible windows drivers.

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                    Today, I switched the last of my Windows machines to Linux: my gaming PC. I've been using Linux on servers for many years but was a bit apprehensive for gaming.

                    Turns out it just... works. Just installed steam and turned proton on, have zero performance or other issues. I'm using Ubuntu 25.04 for the 6.14 kernels NT emulation performance tweaks. Aside from there not being a catalyst driver for it and so I can't undervolt my card everything is great.

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                    #49

                    I moved to Kubuntu recently. I'm overall happier, but I've had a number of pain points.

                    1. I bought DaVinci Resolve thinking they supported Linux. They do, just very poorly. Figuring out how to get that up and running was a faff. Davinci Resolve also doesn't support AAC audio on MP4 files on Linux, so I had to write a script to transcode the audio of media to WAV. It also doesn't play nice with window management. Overall, using resolve has been a huge pain.

                    2. I use Insta360s software just to stitch 360 video, getting that set up with bottles wasn't the most straightforward but it works now.

                    3. I still haven't figured out Fusion360, and I really don't want to spend the time learning a new software. I learned it before I'd started making an effort to only use cross-platform tools.

                    4. I bought the Xbox Store version of Forza Horizon 5 so I could play it on my PC and Xbox. I no longer have the Xbox, and I'd have to re-buy it on Steam if I wanted to play it.

                    5. My Index just isn't detected on Ubuntu. It was on Windows. I've tried a bunch of things, but it just doesn't show up, so I haven't been able to play VR. It might have a bad cable, but I'm not sure. Weird that it showed up before and doesn't in Kubuntu.

                    Linux is all about finding alternatives. There is an alternate workflow, but you might have to deal with inconveniences or put in effort to learn something new. It's been a lot of work. Also, I might need to dual boot windows to play VR stuff.

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                    • E [email protected]

                      Oh and step 7:
                      Spend 10 minutes quitting, restarting discord and then restarting your pc to fix innumerable and common audio bugs caused by terrible windows drivers.

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                      Oh yeah, and every restart takes 10 minutes of “preparing updates”

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                      • user224@lemmy.sdf.orgU [email protected]

                        Holy hell, the Ubuntu ISO is 6.3GB now. Soon it may not even fit onto a DL DVD.

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                        Yesterday I installed cachyos and I was shocked to see that the 3gb install image was actually a net install and I couldn't install it offline. I used my phone as hotspot thinking "how much data would download it anyway, maybe it just needs internet to do geo2ip for suggesting locale" (it actually does that) but instead it downloaded another 3gb

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                        • crazi_man@europe.pubC [email protected]

                          How many floppies is that?

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                          4,375,000,000 of the 3 1/2" disks. Sierra would be proud.

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                            I moved to Kubuntu recently. I'm overall happier, but I've had a number of pain points.

                            1. I bought DaVinci Resolve thinking they supported Linux. They do, just very poorly. Figuring out how to get that up and running was a faff. Davinci Resolve also doesn't support AAC audio on MP4 files on Linux, so I had to write a script to transcode the audio of media to WAV. It also doesn't play nice with window management. Overall, using resolve has been a huge pain.

                            2. I use Insta360s software just to stitch 360 video, getting that set up with bottles wasn't the most straightforward but it works now.

                            3. I still haven't figured out Fusion360, and I really don't want to spend the time learning a new software. I learned it before I'd started making an effort to only use cross-platform tools.

                            4. I bought the Xbox Store version of Forza Horizon 5 so I could play it on my PC and Xbox. I no longer have the Xbox, and I'd have to re-buy it on Steam if I wanted to play it.

                            5. My Index just isn't detected on Ubuntu. It was on Windows. I've tried a bunch of things, but it just doesn't show up, so I haven't been able to play VR. It might have a bad cable, but I'm not sure. Weird that it showed up before and doesn't in Kubuntu.

                            Linux is all about finding alternatives. There is an alternate workflow, but you might have to deal with inconveniences or put in effort to learn something new. It's been a lot of work. Also, I might need to dual boot windows to play VR stuff.

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                            Have a look at the Linux VR Adventures Wiki for possible VR solutions.

                            EDIT: And this compatibility site akin to ProtonDB I just found out about.

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                            • Y [email protected]

                              Assuming you're playing games through Proton rather than vanilla Wine, kernels before 6.14 already have fsync which is used by Proton and effectively does the same thing as ntsync.

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                              I'm running Fedora and since kernel 6.11 my laptop can't wake from sleep, so I keep the kernel back to 6.10, where everything works.

                              But at the same time I have quite heavy troubles with wine/proton. Probably 80% of the games I tried either don't run at all or only run at ❤ FPS. And I'm talking about 10+yo games on a Nvidia 4070 Mobile.

                              Could it be that the issues come from Wine/Proton expecting ntsync and not having that available?

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                                Any issues with brand new releases or has all that been figured out?

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                                Usually it's fine. To be honest, most new release AAA games have problems on Windows too (and sometimes it's worse, such as the first part of the FF7 remake).

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                                • user224@lemmy.sdf.orgU [email protected]

                                  Holy hell, the Ubuntu ISO is 6.3GB now. Soon it may not even fit onto a DL DVD.

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                                  Who still uses DVD to install anything?

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                                  • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                    Me, they retain data alot longer than any solid state data storage device. They are much more usable for archival storage. Also I burn CD's to listen to music on my Stereo.

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                                    According to Google, burned CDs and DVDs retain data for 5-10 years.

                                    SSDs are between a few years and a few decades, depending on the age, type and quality of the SSD. Same goes for USB sticks.

                                    HDDs are between 10 and 20 years.

                                    Tape drives are at 30+ years.

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                                      According to Google, burned CDs and DVDs retain data for 5-10 years.

                                      SSDs are between a few years and a few decades, depending on the age, type and quality of the SSD. Same goes for USB sticks.

                                      HDDs are between 10 and 20 years.

                                      Tape drives are at 30+ years.

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                                      I have CD-R demo discs from the early 00's that still play fine. Also according to Wikipedia: "On July 3, 1991, the first recording of a concert directly to CD was made using a Yamaha YPDR 601. The concert was performed by Claudio Baglioni at the Stadio Flaminio in Rome, Italy. At that time, it was generally anticipated that recordable CDs would have a lifetime of no more than 10 years. However, as of July 2020 the CD from this live recording still plays back with no uncorrectable errors."

                                      Edit: Yes, a tape drive would be ideal but i'm poor af.

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                                        I have CD-R demo discs from the early 00's that still play fine. Also according to Wikipedia: "On July 3, 1991, the first recording of a concert directly to CD was made using a Yamaha YPDR 601. The concert was performed by Claudio Baglioni at the Stadio Flaminio in Rome, Italy. At that time, it was generally anticipated that recordable CDs would have a lifetime of no more than 10 years. However, as of July 2020 the CD from this live recording still plays back with no uncorrectable errors."

                                        Edit: Yes, a tape drive would be ideal but i'm poor af.

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                                        It's always a game of statistics.

                                        You might have some 20yo disks that play fine, but there's enough 10yo disks that don't play fine. Also, especially with audio disks, having some data loss on them won't be noticeable. You could probably have up to 10% of data loss on the CD without hearing much of a difference.

                                        Things are very different for data storage though. Here losing a single bit (e.g. of an encrypted/compressed file) might make the whole file unreadable. And if it's a critical file that might make the whole disk useless.

                                        Audio CD is a very low-data-density format. There's a ton of data on there that doesn't matter (as exemplified by the fact that MP3 CDs can easily hold 6 times as much audio as a regular, uncompressed Audio CD). This low data density creates redundancy.

                                        The data retention values above aren't about "After X years all of the data disappears" but about "This is how long the data will be fully retained without a single bit of data loss".

                                        I also have HDDs from ~2000 that still work fine. The probably oldest piece of tech I own is a Gameboy, which has its BIOS in a ROM, and that one still works fine, even though it's older than 30 years now. But for one I don't own enough Gameboys to know whether I got an outlier here and I don't have the means to check if every single bit on that ROM is still identical to the original.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          It's always a game of statistics.

                                          You might have some 20yo disks that play fine, but there's enough 10yo disks that don't play fine. Also, especially with audio disks, having some data loss on them won't be noticeable. You could probably have up to 10% of data loss on the CD without hearing much of a difference.

                                          Things are very different for data storage though. Here losing a single bit (e.g. of an encrypted/compressed file) might make the whole file unreadable. And if it's a critical file that might make the whole disk useless.

                                          Audio CD is a very low-data-density format. There's a ton of data on there that doesn't matter (as exemplified by the fact that MP3 CDs can easily hold 6 times as much audio as a regular, uncompressed Audio CD). This low data density creates redundancy.

                                          The data retention values above aren't about "After X years all of the data disappears" but about "This is how long the data will be fully retained without a single bit of data loss".

                                          I also have HDDs from ~2000 that still work fine. The probably oldest piece of tech I own is a Gameboy, which has its BIOS in a ROM, and that one still works fine, even though it's older than 30 years now. But for one I don't own enough Gameboys to know whether I got an outlier here and I don't have the means to check if every single bit on that ROM is still identical to the original.

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                                          Sorry if I'm mostly focusing on paragraph 3 but I have to. MP3 CDs sound way worse than a redbook audio CD though. You can losslessly compress PCM by about 50% by using a codec like flac or alac, but there is data loss if you use a lossy format like .mp3.
                                          You can compress 20 vacation photos taken by an iPhone 16 to fit on a 1.44 mb floppy disk and you will have something resembling the original data, but I think you'll agree it's worse.
                                          Back to my original point, A CD-R is much more likely to reatain data for 5 years than an SSD is. Unless it's periodiclly powered on of couse.
                                          I have an HDD from 2008 in my PC actually. I'm often impressed how long they can last.

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