Italy calls for 'immediate' summit between US, Europe following Zelensky-Trump clash
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Meloni’s summit proposal is a reminder that Europe won’t sit quietly while sidelined by Washington.
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How fucked is the world, when Meloni is the reasonable one...
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I love reading about people not knowing the EU military industry writing about how it's somehow weak.
Newsflash: it's not. We don't talk or write about it 'cause it's sensitive data. We protect sensitive data.
Our armies may not be strong, but our military industry is. -
So strong it buys all relevant jets from the us.
So strong.
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Your industries can't even supply artillery and basic equipment to Ukraine, at least nowhere at the level needed to win the war. This is well-known. European leaders have been harping on the need to upgrade capacities.
So, newsflash: sorry, your military industry isn't up to par yet. The potential is there. Many of the technologies are there. The actual support and capacity to make the most out of that potential is lacking.
This isn't in any way a controversial opinion. The reality on the ground with constant shortages and European leaders themselves acknowledging the military industry needs more support is well known.
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And trump and his GOP friends aren't? The only difference is that Italian fascists can use the nostalgia card, so their rhetoric is clearer.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a headline saying that negotiation broke down too.
"Don't tell me how to feel. We're gonna feel great. You know what? I didn't hear a thank you from you. We're gonna put the world's biggliest Olive Garden right here in America's 53th state, how about that, Meloni?"
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Newsflash: it's not.*
- As long as it's not made by the Brits.
(Looks accusingly at the SA80 / L85 platform... And the Challenger 2)
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Europe's euro fighter jet is and was a very respectable fighter. With the shift towards stealth with the latest generation, it may be falling behind in key areas but still a good air craft. Developing a jet is a huge, huge undertaking and arguably Europe's resources could be spent better elsewhere rather than trying to develop an F35/F22 competitor.
Europe does have industrial and military capacity issues. This is well known and European leaders are among the quickest to point it out. No idea why the guy above wants to bury his head in the sand on that.
The biggest issues are arguably fragmentation and tepid political/societal support. Europe has various strengths but work is needed to make the most out of their potential.
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Meloni probably wants to congratulate Trump.
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Same in Slovenia when it comes to far right. They were drooling over Trump (our PM at the time even congratulated Trump on winning 2020 elections before the official results) and also painted themselves as biggest Ukraine supporters. Now I'm not sure where they stand and how they rationalize the situation, since I'm off X and Facebook.
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Europe really needs to beef up its defense industries and whatnot.
Europe is already spending billions of billions in its defense. Europe countries combined already spend more money in war than russia. Every country in the world (russia, china, usa, europe and everyone else) need to cut the military budget and use public money for something more useful.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
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A stand down on war period would be wonderful. Unfortunately, as long as aggressors are on the board, you have to maintain a defensive posture. Europe's deficiencies have been made clear but their on-going struggles to supply Ukraine. Russia may spend less, but like China, their lower per capita income in some ways helps them get more out of their money (thankfully, corruption and other issues also nerf Russia).
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I understand that Meloni is struggling with cognitive dissonance
They are doing what every politician and ruler does, they lie to the public and do whatever gets them more power and wealth.
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It's actually worse. I think Meloni is not in the game for power or wealth (at least, not mainly), she is someone who is in for her ideas. The problem is that her ideas are shitty neofascism.
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you have to maintain a defensive posture.
To maintain a defensive posture you don't need to spend a cent, raise your elbows and clench your fists. I'm using your wordplay to highlight that you don't need to spend billions in weapons designed to attack and kill other men to be able to defend yourself.
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fascism had no ideas neither, their ideas were shifted constantly to whatever suited them best. This person hanged to fascism to get votes and distanced from it once elected to keep votes.
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all were shitheads, außer Mutti.
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Yes. You do. That's unquestionable. Ukraine is barely holding on with overall generous support from the USA and Europe.
