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Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann

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  • R [email protected]

    Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days

    Disputable.

    • they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
    • they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
    • bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
    • transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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    #107

    they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separatel

    If you wish for ANC you'll need a battery anyway, and most people do want ANC these days

    they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them

    I'm loosing my wired headphone far more often, for a simple reason: wireless ones having a battery allows me to make them beep, given they are near, of course.

    bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability

    Sure, and so are wired headphone as they act as an antenna, broadcasting to anyone with an appropriate receptor anything you say and/or hear.
    As for the implementation vulnerabilities, at least it can be patched.

    transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire

    Sure, but is it that much of a problem? It would take years (if not decades) of constant listening to even use a dollar of electricity for wireless headphones. Even if you factor the data transmission from the phone into that.
    And wired headphone are not energy neutral either. They works by pulling energy from the phone battery.

    I prefer the wireless headphones ease of use to headphone I have to untangle every time I want to use them. I keep my wired ones for home uses.

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    • L [email protected]

      What is blocking it? I haven't done much research yet but was hoping to find a new OS if this goes through. Wouldn't it be the same as putting a sim card into a tablet/laptop? Or is there something specific to your country that stands out?

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      Probably they need to pay for an IMEI fee their government wants. I know because it's the same here. I got PinePhone for $200 and had to pay for $250 IMEI fee. What did I do? Changed the IMEI to my old dead phone's.

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      • O [email protected]

        Nearly 100% of the development for handheld Linux is Steam OS / Steam Deck. If Valve moves to ARM at some point then you might see useful improvements that benefit the mobile use case.

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        #109

        the collaborative world works off of demand. Pocket laptops and linux phones have been a nice distraction for long enough. They may soon become more of a saving grace.

        I'm not saying you'll be able to run Spyware Simulator 2000 on PostmarketOS. I'm more saying that any secondary device you use for foss software will be more focused upon as an actual decent alternative for getting work done without being spied on by capitalist nazis.

        These devices can run web browsers. That's 80% of your needs already taken care of and we haven't even left Firefox.

        CARRY TWO PHONES??!!

        What will the neighbors think!?

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        • V [email protected]

          Is there other alternatives to Apple and Google phones? If you can pay for shipping a and 2 phones compared to a Google or Apple phone then why not use other manufacturers?

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          #110

          Is there other alternatives to Apple and Google phones?

          There are phones that run on other platforms, but the app library and hardware isn't competitive.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

          You could also move most of what you do to a tablet or laptop if you're willing to carry that, and just use the phone as an Internet access device and for phone calls.

          EDIT: Or use a cell modem for data and SIP service for phone service and texts, though then you need to have a device that you'll keep on if you want to get incoming calls when they come in. Cell phones are pretty optimized for low idle power usage.

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          • O [email protected]

            The Apple adapter is very good. I used one on my Linux machine that had a finicky built in port. Obviously works great on a phone. If you need one in a car at least MagSafe/qi is available now but not ideal.

            I don’t love the idea of “removable” batteries being mandated if that means like the batteries in an old flip phone. We needed them then because the capacity was so bad and power banks didn’t exist. I would prefer that manufacturers require them to be third party replaceable instead.

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            They have to be user removable, not hot-removable. Take a FP6 as an example, you have to remove a couple of screw to get to it, then another couple to remove it. What are forbidden will be glued batteries and back panels.

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            • vanilla_puddinfudge@infosec.pubV [email protected]

              the collaborative world works off of demand. Pocket laptops and linux phones have been a nice distraction for long enough. They may soon become more of a saving grace.

              I'm not saying you'll be able to run Spyware Simulator 2000 on PostmarketOS. I'm more saying that any secondary device you use for foss software will be more focused upon as an actual decent alternative for getting work done without being spied on by capitalist nazis.

              These devices can run web browsers. That's 80% of your needs already taken care of and we haven't even left Firefox.

              CARRY TWO PHONES??!!

              What will the neighbors think!?

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              It seems like fewer people care about being spied on, “I have nothing to hide”, and many people don’t even change the settings to prevent sharing contacts, photos, and location with privacy hostile apps like Facebook.

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                So ,i install graphene OS on a pixel phone ,problem solved

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                Pixels are inferior to even the cheapest android phones out there. I have a two year old Motorola stylus that cost $100 and battery life is still over two days and I've dropped it a million times. Evey pixel I've owned had major issues with screen or battery life not worth the price when google can't handle making reliable hardware. Plus I have a headphone Jack.

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                  Probably they need to pay for an IMEI fee their government wants. I know because it's the same here. I got PinePhone for $200 and had to pay for $250 IMEI fee. What did I do? Changed the IMEI to my old dead phone's.

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                  Nice, that makes sense. Doesn't is store more data than just an IMEI number though, like make/model, did you have to spoof that as well or was that easily ignored

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                  • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                    if this happens my next phone either will be a linux phone (if I can find a dependable one with banking apps allowed) or iOS out of spite

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                    iOS

                    IOS already does this.

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                    • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                      They have to be user removable, not hot-removable. Take a FP6 as an example, you have to remove a couple of screw to get to it, then another couple to remove it. What are forbidden will be glued batteries and back panels.

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                      That’s convenient to swap a battery but I feel like my phone is more likely to get soaked than need a battery swap at any time in the next two years. The FP6 is IP55 rated.

                      Looks like FP6 battery is £45 and iPhone 14 is £60-£90 depending where you buy it. I know I can get that done in the next hour or two where I live, so I don’t see it as a big deal.

                      The replaceable camera feature is more compelling because a broken front iPhone camera can effectively brick the device.

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                      • M [email protected]

                        There isn’t barely any good alternative for smartphones. Tech companies and CEO’s are now what the Church and the Pope were in the Middle Ages. Both keep the masses dumb, ignorant and hateful.

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                        More important for your analogy is to keep the masses paying indulgences.

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                        • R [email protected]

                          https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Android_Developer_Verification

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                          It's time the community open source movement starting gaining a lot more traction on mobile. We need better hardware support and standards for a streamlined non-Google/Apple/MS platform. Something not beholden to any single company or country

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                          • tal@lemmy.todayT [email protected]

                            iOS

                            IOS already does this.

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                            Yeah but he's doing it out of spite since the whole point of Android is freedom to do what you want. Take that away... Might as well go apple.

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                            • B [email protected]

                              This should read that google is screwed, as android users flock to alternative phones. But no, so many would rather just keep on bending the knee to daddy data scrap.

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                              And are these alternative phones in the room with you?

                              Seriously, the alternatives to Google's Android are:

                              iOS: lol
                              GrapheneOS: Currently at the mercy of Google
                              Lineage: Same
                              /e/OS: Same

                              Plus a bunch of half baked Linux distros that run on old or limited hardware.

                              We're in a duopoly because it doesn't suit the manufacturers to give a shit.

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                              • prioritymotif@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                Pixels are inferior to even the cheapest android phones out there. I have a two year old Motorola stylus that cost $100 and battery life is still over two days and I've dropped it a million times. Evey pixel I've owned had major issues with screen or battery life not worth the price when google can't handle making reliable hardware. Plus I have a headphone Jack.

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                                I mean everyone has anecdotal evidence to "prove" their point... I have a Pixel 7a that still lasts 2 days and I've dropped it a million times and the screen hasn't cracked. It's also 2+ years old.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  Nice, that makes sense. Doesn't is store more data than just an IMEI number though, like make/model, did you have to spoof that as well or was that easily ignored

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                                  Normally, yes. As for my government concerns, I'm using Nexus 5X. They probably would notice if they investigate but as long as there are no more than 1 active phones with the same IMEI, they most likely won't notice.

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                                  • dremor@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                    Removable batteries are coming back, as they become mandatory in the EU in 2027.
                                    Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
                                    As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.

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                                    I have a fp4 and it is VERY annoying to not have jack(I don't wanna use bluetooth because jack works, doesn't need a battery and is low tech), so now I only listen to music on my computer, but I'm planning on making an mp3 player with a raspberry pi pico.

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                                    • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                                      if this happens my next phone either will be a linux phone (if I can find a dependable one with banking apps allowed) or iOS out of spite

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                                      Take a look at SailfishOS, it's good.

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                                      • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB [email protected]

                                        (non-Android) Linux phones aren't really ready for daily driving even for relatively advanced users - but it looks like we're gonna have to deal with it anyhow

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                                        SailfishOS os daily drivable IMO.

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                                          Its like Microsoft and Google are teaming up to drive me closer to Linux.

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                                          Yes, learn the truth and be enlightened. Both Microsoft and Google have been secretly scheming for a while now, with the sole intent to get girthero closer to Linux

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