John Oliver promoted alternatives to big tech in last night's episode, including Mastodon and Pixelfed
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What exactly does a DragonTypeWyvern tail look like?
Depends on the kind of wyvern
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On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won't face the same problems old social media did.
Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.
BlueSky made their own standard, citing that ActivityPub wasn't enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that's true. However with their structure, a centralized relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn't truly decentralized. BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance.
BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech.
My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they're promising, but I'm not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.
Bluesky is what happens when someone with a corporate mindset wants to make something new and good. Mastodon happens when hobbyists get together and make something. Ive heard BlueSky has a board of people in charge to make sure it doesn't end up like twitter. Exactly what one would expect a company to do. Make sure something doesnt go wrong? Put a few people in charge. Mastodon just has the whole community. I may be wrong here as I dont use either. Right now Im just wondering what will happen when BlueSkys provider comes knocking with the hosting bill.
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I wish he had mentioned Lemmy, but it's understandable that he didn't. Also Bluesky isn't an alternative to big tech, it IS big tech. I wish it wasn't stealing so much of our publicity lately.
But beggars can't be choosers, and we have seen some nice growth over the past couple months. John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.
John Oliver being uploaded to YouTube is awesome! I should comment that Lemmy is a great Reddit alternative
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Not friendica, which seems an obvious facebook alternative.
Also, I think they're onto something with their fuck it approach that every social media platform would benefit from.
The internet was mostly that before.
Content moderation primarily serves advertisers, it was never really for the people.Content moderation primarily serves advertisers
I'm lost, here. Do you not think fighting toxicity and hate speech is a valid and important function of moderation that's just as much or more for the sake of the people as it might be for advertisers?
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Bridgy started without that requirement and it pissed off too many Mastodonians so they reworked it
Well fuck the mastodonians their stupidity is no reason to make everyone else's experience shitter.
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I think, If we have any credible threat, it's going to be from the Governmental gross anti-tampering laws, forced moderation, or backup regulations. They could make it legally difficulty for us to exist
This. I have considerable concern that Fascists will straight up ban Fedi if enough people shift to it. They don't like not being able to control everything, Fedi is far too much actual freedom of communication.
The thing about fedi is how do u stop it. Ban every instances ip? make it illegal to use? They can try but they will have very little success.
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Intentionally, I think.
That's what I suspect
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Content moderation primarily serves advertisers
I'm lost, here. Do you not think fighting toxicity and hate speech is a valid and important function of moderation that's just as much or more for the sake of the people as it might be for advertisers?
I think the rise of hate speech on centralised platforms relies very heavily on theur centrlaised moderation and curation via algorithms.
They have all known for a long time that their algorithms promote hate speech, but they know that curbing that behaviour negatively affects their revenue, so they don't do it. They chase the fast buck, and they appease advertisers who have a naturally conservative bent, and that means rage bait and conventional values.
That's quite apart from when platform owners explicitly support that hate speech and actively suppress left leaning voices.
I think what we have on decentralised systems where we curate/moderate for ourselves works well because most of that open hate speech is siloed, which I think is the best thing you can do with it.
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The thing about fedi is how do u stop it. Ban every instances ip? make it illegal to use? They can try but they will have very little success.
They'd shut down large instances, pressure WordPress to remove support, in the US at least, it could be seen as too risky, if they wanted to they would find a way. I don't think this would happen easily in the EU though.
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
Really hoping legislators in Sweden don't force Signal to pull its services from the country. π«£
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Depends on the kind of wyvern
What about the dragon type?
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John Oliver fans are the perfect candidates to join the fediverse, hopefully some of them find their way to Lemmy.
Too late - we are already here!:-P
This was literally the photo that finally got me banned from Reddit years ago.
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Which is why it's based that it wasn't promoted
As long as no one sells off Lemmy, which is impossible now...
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On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won't face the same problems old social media did.
Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.
BlueSky made their own standard, citing that ActivityPub wasn't enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that's true. However with their structure, a centralized relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn't truly decentralized. BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance.
BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech.
My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they're promising, but I'm not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.
For me the advantage of Bluesky is that I can own my identity. I can reserve [email protected] and use that, without having to run my own instance.
With Mastodon Iβd have to put up a full-ass server instance and worry about federation etc just to have my βownβ identity instead of [email protected] or something
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
Bluesky will be the next Twitter. Just give it some time
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The thing about fedi is how do u stop it. Ban every instances ip? make it illegal to use? They can try but they will have very little success.
You make laws like the Online Safety Act in the UK. You then attach a multi-million dollar fine to anyone who doesn't adhere to the bonkers unenforceable stipulations in the text.
All of a sudden, no one but a corporation with a legal department can safely run an instance without putting their money and eventually freedom on the line.
They might not be able to just stop it, but you can force us into a pirate scenario where we have to do it in the dark.
We are likely starting to slowly head into 1984 territory. IF Fascim continues to rise, eventually, non-state-run media will be deemed unlawful and they'll do what they can to make it go away.
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
You don't just trade 1 powerful ceo for another when you get the chance to leave. Ridiculous.
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Can anyone explain Bluesky vs Mastodon as Twitter alternatives, asking as someone who never really used Twitter much anyway?
Bluesky is corporate, Mastodon is FOSS.
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Come to Lemmy, we got: blood thirsty Linux users, furries, femboys, communists, and tankies. Also, porn.
It has its own charm once you get used to it lmao
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
Here's the same video on PeerTube
