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German intelligence warns Putin preparing Nato assault by end of decade

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  • K [email protected]

    Germany has been seriously underspending for decades. It's gonna take a lot of money to get them to any sort of level where they'd have a credible defence.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.

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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

      They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.

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      Quite far down the list. Of the 40 countries, per GDP they're what, 32nd? And that's after decades of chronic underspending, where their capability has crumbled.

      war propaganda

      War propaganda is when you have a credible defence. Right-o.

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        America is doing just fine, it's just the USA portion of it that is troubled

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        Looks at cartels integrating into Mexican government, giant prisons, Guantanamo Bay, everything about Argentina and Venezuela... yep doing just great. At least they got that fucker Bolsonaro out in Brasil.

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

          They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.

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          You should measure expenses in bullets, shells and bombs. Not in who managed to pay the most money for them.

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            Maybe they'll find a way to rebound. Banning contraception, banning abortions getting rid of women rights plus no other way to survive in old age apart from having many children. Seems like the US is going that way.

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            I feel that would lead to women escaping the country, suicides or to kill the babies if they are born a girl...

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            • K [email protected]

              Quite far down the list. Of the 40 countries, per GDP they're what, 32nd? And that's after decades of chronic underspending, where their capability has crumbled.

              war propaganda

              War propaganda is when you have a credible defence. Right-o.

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              Having an higher GDP doesn't mean you have to spend more

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              • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                They barely could handle a war with small Ukraine, a full scale war with NATO is a no-go; and I'm quite certain Putin won't live that long

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                They’ll make it ✨ inconvenient✨ for people.

                Sabotaging water sources (already practiced this in Finland), power stations (happened in Sweden), cutting undersea cables.

                Way too many people are willing to let other people die rather than be inconvenienced.

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                  Having an higher GDP doesn't mean you have to spend more

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                  Well sure, but it's a good start for a comparison. Best would be to add in the existing capability, the level of threat, size of the country, that sort of stuff.

                  It's just that even Germans have now realized that their chronic underspending has really hurt them and now to have any sort of respectable defence they'll need to spend more. A more moderate amount for a longer time would've been better but it is what it is.

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                  • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                    Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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                    Trump will do anything in the safety of his home if he feels like it benefits him. If it has no negative impact for him, he doesn't care. That's why he could start a war with anyone, because he wouldn't go to the front.

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                      Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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                      I absolutely believe he's that much of an idiot.

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                      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                        Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US

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                        Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe

                        I don't think he'll have to. With Europe busy infighting and a war on the eastern border, he can snack up Greenland just as he's planning to. Nobody will do anything about it at that point.

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                          Are they bribed by Nobel like ursula?

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                            Trump will do anything in the safety of his home if he feels like it benefits him. If it has no negative impact for him, he doesn't care. That's why he could start a war with anyone, because he wouldn't go to the front.

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                            Then let's send the bitch

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                            • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                              If Russia gets ambiguously belligerent with a small NATO ally (someplace like Lithuania) and everyone's suddenly saying "we have to go to war over THAT?" and American corporate media starts framing the use of article 5 as escalatory, that's your cue that phase 1 is complete.

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                              Which is ironic, because the only time article 5 was invited was by the Americans, after 9/11.

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                                Which is ironic, because the only time article 5 was invited was by the Americans, after 9/11.

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                                Which was so funny cuz they probably went "you... want us to join u in bombing those goat herders?? They don't even have an air force. Uhh okay..."

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                                  Are they bribed by Nobel like ursula?

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                                  Did von der genocide accept more bribes?

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                                    Did von der genocide accept more bribes?

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                                    Probably. Just ask at the commission's front desk. Rue de la Loi 200, B-1049 Brussels, Belgium.

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                                      europe will not go to war over THAT.

                                      Yep. Here's a fun possible timeline:

                                      • US takes over greenland. Europe will cut off all ties to 'murika, and they'll be like "why would europe be so mean to us?!".

                                      • Europe won't pivot too hard to China/India, but they'll become preferred trading-partners. EU will become the last bastion of actual Democracy.

                                      • China will take that whole debacle as a green light to take Taiwan (and possibly re-taking manchuria, if not more of Russia).

                                      • Russia will throw a hissyfit (threaten nukes, fail to deliver, and get fucked on the ground/air/sea) and the US will try to come to their aid under the guise of stopping the "yellow threat". But it'll fail cuz the US will devolve into a civil war.

                                      • Russia will collapse and splinter, and the rest of the 21st century will be a mess off instability and the odd rogue van-borne nuke going off here and there, because mongol-brained swamp-troglodytes (muscovy) should never had nukes in the first place.

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                                      What does China stand to gain by attacking Russia?

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                                      • richardisaguy@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                        They barely could handle a war with small Ukraine, a full scale war with NATO is a no-go; and I'm quite certain Putin won't live that long

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                                        Clearly, Putin underestimated Ukraine at the beginning of his invasion. But Russia can maintain the war against Ukraine for a long time to come.

                                        Putin has no other choice: the entire Russian economy is dependent on war and armaments and would collapse if peace were concluded. Putin could no longer control his country without an external enemy.

                                        Hence his narrative of the "Nazis" who must be fought in Ukraine (and soon on other borders (see Suwalki Gap)). This narrative of the Nazis ties in with the russian history of the Great Patriotic War, and this resonates with the Russian population. Putin is building a sequel to WWII, with renewed external threats, and the people are receptive to that.

                                        Therefore, Putin is not at all interested in a peace treaty. And the conflict with NATO countries has already begun: the severed power cables and data cables in the Baltic Sea and the attacks on our information systems should have been regarded as acts of war from their beginning. The threat is there NOW. And Europe and NATO must build up strength.

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                                          Not surprised. The level of European alarm about the Russian threat being real has been greater than what could be sustained without there being secret direct evidence.

                                          Here's hoping when he does that and immediately starts to lose, he doesn't decide to end the world.

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