German intelligence warns Putin preparing Nato assault by end of decade
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Instead of hanging trump for treason of jan 6, you elected him into office after he got charged with a felony AND legal system agreed president can do whatever illegal shit they want up to and beyond dictatorship.
Yeah, they are that fucking dumb.Who exactly are you talking to?
I'm German so how did I elect that orange idiot exactly?
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Trump might be an idiot, but he is not so much of an idiot to take on the entirety of Europe, who, likely when this happens will have new allies besides the US
I'm sure Trump would do what he is doing with Ukraine now, and what America has done in the past. Provide assistance for a massive cost.
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America is going to be balls deep in greenland and europe will not go to war over THAT.
europe will not go to war over THAT.
Yep. Here's a fun possible timeline:
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US takes over greenland. Europe will cut off all ties to 'murika, and they'll be like "why would europe be so mean to us?!".
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Europe won't pivot too hard to China/India, but they'll become preferred trading-partners. EU will become the last bastion of actual Democracy.
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China will take that whole debacle as a green light to take Taiwan (and possibly re-taking manchuria, if not more of Russia).
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Russia will throw a hissyfit (threaten nukes, fail to deliver, and get fucked on the ground/air/sea) and the US will try to come to their aid under the guise of stopping the "yellow threat". But it'll fail cuz the US will devolve into a civil war.
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Russia will collapse and splinter, and the rest of the 21st century will be a mess off instability and the odd rogue van-borne nuke going off here and there, because mongol-brained swamp-troglodytes (muscovy) should never had nukes in the first place.
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To me this sound like propaganda to justify military spending. Stockpiling weapons benefits authoritarian governments and rich people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
The numbers speak for themself.
Some military spending is good since you might actually have to, you know, defend your country.
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People who follow this subject have been talking about it as a crisis before the invasion even began. Now it's being described as "demographic collapse". They have remarkably low birth rates, an ageing population, xenophobia issues, and few friendly nations from which to borrow workers. I saw one headline that they've begun trying to bribe young ladies to have children. I believe I've seen Putin on record saying he sees demographics as one of his biggest issues, but his policies belie a more cynical stance. It is likely that Russia will continue to decline throughout the century, and in geopolitical terms they are positioned to eventually become a client state of some sort, likelier than not beholden to China.
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Lol I live here and I gotta say, Id sign off on us being renamed to The States of America, we are the most not united thing to ever exist.
"50 raccoons in a trenchcoat pretending to be a country"
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Some military spending is good since you might actually have to, you know, defend your country.
Germany alone is already spending 66 billions a year in "defense". If they were spending 120 billions and the government would said "we need more" you would drink it arguing that some military spending is good.
We are already all armed to the teeth and waging wars against each others. The same governments increasing the "defense" budget to defend us from evil russia are backing israel in a genocide, no government here has really good intentions.
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I really hope our politicians are not THAT dumb..... Hope is what we have
Yes. They are that dumb. Every day there’s some fresh stupidity they come up with. Seriously, that moron is talking about invading Canada and seizing Greenland and there’s no massive outcry in D.C. to impeach or even remove him for such absurd goals?
YES. They ARE that stupid.
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I don't think you understand that trump is not only dumb he is also a russian asset.
Sure actual evidence is shaky but when there is someone squatting with their pants down, only an completely insane person would claim they are in the process of laying chicken eggs.A war between the US and Europe would drag in the rest of the world, nowadays that would end in planetary annihilation
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Germany alone is already spending 66 billions a year in "defense". If they were spending 120 billions and the government would said "we need more" you would drink it arguing that some military spending is good.
We are already all armed to the teeth and waging wars against each others. The same governments increasing the "defense" budget to defend us from evil russia are backing israel in a genocide, no government here has really good intentions.
Germany has been seriously underspending for decades. It's gonna take a lot of money to get them to any sort of level where they'd have a credible defence.
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The Bundeswehr could, according to top generals, not stay in a fight for more than one or two weeks before running out of artillery shells, missiles and bombs.
You should read these claims with the same amount of nuance you use on claims like "Russia runs out of tanks/missiles/shells".
What they mean is "we can sustain a full-on, large scale offensive at optimal supply for two weeks, before we need to scale to a lower operational pace and stockpile material for our individual operations."
No military ever has enough, Russia "ran out" a few days into their offense, and yet they've been fighting for years.
the absence of a unified command structure in Europe
Eh, NATO high command exists just fine. Sure, it would be headed by the 2nd in command, but it works.
also a lack of strategic capabilities (awacs, satellite data, military intelligence, air tankers, heavy lift helicopters, …).
Yeah, Europe has a terrifying lack of enablers, but the reason for that is, apart from intelligence, is that European militaries aren't prepared for, or want to be prepared for, large scale offensive power projection away from home.
You can drive a truck from Gibraltar to Talin in Estonia in 48 hours. A train takes slightly longer, though I imagine clearing the railways is a lot easier under martial law.
Europe only has one good wing of tanker/transport planes, but we have hundreds and hundreds of airfields, and you don't need much mid-air refueling in a defensive war where everyone has capital cities in easy jet range.
The lack of airborne radar and satellites is MUCH worse for Europe than any other enablers.
You should read these claims with the same amount of nuance you use on claims like "Russia runs out of tanks/missiles/shells".
What they mean is "we can sustain a full-on, large scale offensive at optimal supply for two weeks, before we need to scale to a lower operational pace and stockpile material for our individual operations."
No military ever has enough, Russia "ran out" a few days into their offense, and yet they've been fighting for years.
Idk man, we literally ran out of ammunition during the air campaign against Libya. There simply are no significant (deep) depots of ammunitions stockpiled here in Germany. Sure, we could probably start throwing helmets at the Russians after a week or so.
Eh, NATO high command exists just fine. Sure, it would be headed by the 2nd in command, but it works.
Most of the NATO command structure is incredibly US centric though, it doesn’t end with the SACEUR. It's kind of unsettling considering our current relation with the US.
Regarding your last paragraph, I agree that airborne radar and satellite data are the most crucial factors we are lacking without the US.
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A war between the US and Europe would drag in the rest of the world, nowadays that would end in planetary annihilation
If we keep it conventional, we could bring about a new dark age. It would have to go nuclear before we start wondering if the deep sea tube worms will survive. We can definitely end humanity unilaterally, we might need Russia's help to boil the oceans.
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Germany has been seriously underspending for decades. It's gonna take a lot of money to get them to any sort of level where they'd have a credible defence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.
Quite far down the list. Of the 40 countries, per GDP they're what, 32nd? And that's after decades of chronic underspending, where their capability has crumbled.
war propaganda
War propaganda is when you have a credible defence. Right-o.
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America is doing just fine, it's just the USA portion of it that is troubled
Looks at cartels integrating into Mexican government, giant prisons, Guantanamo Bay, everything about Argentina and Venezuela... yep doing just great. At least they got that fucker Bolsonaro out in Brasil.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
They are literally one of the biggest spenders in the world, stop spreading war propaganda please.
You should measure expenses in bullets, shells and bombs. Not in who managed to pay the most money for them.
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Maybe they'll find a way to rebound. Banning contraception, banning abortions getting rid of women rights plus no other way to survive in old age apart from having many children. Seems like the US is going that way.
I feel that would lead to women escaping the country, suicides or to kill the babies if they are born a girl...
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Quite far down the list. Of the 40 countries, per GDP they're what, 32nd? And that's after decades of chronic underspending, where their capability has crumbled.
war propaganda
War propaganda is when you have a credible defence. Right-o.
Having an higher GDP doesn't mean you have to spend more
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They barely could handle a war with small Ukraine, a full scale war with NATO is a no-go; and I'm quite certain Putin won't live that long
They’ll make it
inconvenient for people.Sabotaging water sources (already practiced this in Finland), power stations (happened in Sweden), cutting undersea cables.
Way too many people are willing to let other people die rather than be inconvenienced.
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Having an higher GDP doesn't mean you have to spend more
Well sure, but it's a good start for a comparison. Best would be to add in the existing capability, the level of threat, size of the country, that sort of stuff.
It's just that even Germans have now realized that their chronic underspending has really hurt them and now to have any sort of respectable defence they'll need to spend more. A more moderate amount for a longer time would've been better but it is what it is.
