president of peace everybody
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Why do you let them set the narrative that a precedent of wrongdoing legitimizes future trespasses?
While offensive war is definitely wrong (I don't personally think defending yourself is wrong however, although some will differ), none of the undeclared wars that the US has been in since WW2 have been illegal under the laws of the United States.
POTUS has the right to send in troops, Congress has the right to declare a war but if they don't declare war that doesn't change the fact that the POTUS is legally allowed to send troops in, particularly for UN peace keeping (ie Korea, Former Yugoslavia), but even in the absence of an international umbrella.
As per post above the US president can defacto start and run a war until congress turns off the financial taps or impeaches him, only they can declare a war, and they don't like doing that, hence the last 80 years of defacto but undeclared wars
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He should also be aware of this legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_of_2001
... since he voted for it.
It allows military actions against any country that harbours al Qaeda... and Iran does harbour al Qaeda along with any terrorist group that aligns with their "death to Israel / America" dogma.
Repealed by the House of Representatives in 2021.
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maybe cynicism will help
I think cynicism is keeping a vast majority of Americans peaceful right now. We are being told we need to be peaceful, we feel the need to fight. We all cope with this insanity in different ways man.
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Can we not pretend like this hasn’t happened numerous times in the past. The US hasn’t been in a war since WW2 and yet somehow we keep ending up killing people in other countries.
we keep ending up killing people in other countries
Excuse me, this is called "defending our interests".
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Pepperidge Farms remembers "police action" in Vietnam
"Vietnam, stop resisting!"
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Well, shit.
By Trump's rules: Have no plan, just do the opposite of what the liberals want
Now he has to
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Yeah unfortunately that is not actually the way the law is written Bernie. Wish it was.
Short version, the president gets to deploy the military where ever he wishes (outside the US, posse comitatus etc). That includes invading a sovereign nation or raining missiles down on one.
Only congress has the power to declare a war, but the Potus gets to defacto kick off the war and then dare congress not to back him.
After it was either 60 or 90 days, I forget, congress gets to "review" the decision, the problem is they have no power other than financial if they wish to stop the war. So the only thing they can do is turn off the finances to the military, and wait for the money to run out - which is generally up to a year. They have no way of forcing the president to desist other than impeachment or cutting off the funds.
They can pass a motion, or even legislation, which the Prez can then veto, pointless. If they can muster the 2/3rds of congress they can remove him via impeachment.
Edit, spelling correction and to note that I can pull out the full details if needed - was discussed heavily on reddit a while ago
Its like choosing the president is a really important decision.
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Its like choosing the president is a really important decision.
But genocidal Kamala is just as bad! I was informed about it multiple times by accounts on .ml (and not all of them are operating exclusively during Moscow working hours)
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Are the generals going to refuse his orders? Is the legislative going to impeach him? Is anyone in American government going to do the job their very roles exist to do within the framework of power? What happens if he does? What's been happening as he violates the constitution, daily? When he violates the rights protected, seemingly, by nothing but a sheet of fucking parchment?
Whose going to stop him when he tries?
The military has been gearing up for war with Iran for a long time. They want to go at it.
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After watching some of the footage on Saturday, it's annoying to think "these are the people who will need to pull off a coup?"
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Trump has already been impeached twice. What else could they do except attempt to remove him from power, and with what army?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Being impeached doesnt inherently carry consequences.
If you think of it like a trial, the house delivers the guilty verdict (impeachment), and the senate determines the sentencing. The senate basically said, "yea so what? No consequences"
If the senate would do their job too, impeachment would mean something
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Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
Can't lose a war if you retroactively count it as not a war
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Yeah unfortunately that is not actually the way the law is written Bernie. Wish it was.
Short version, the president gets to deploy the military where ever he wishes (outside the US, posse comitatus etc). That includes invading a sovereign nation or raining missiles down on one.
Only congress has the power to declare a war, but the Potus gets to defacto kick off the war and then dare congress not to back him.
After it was either 60 or 90 days, I forget, congress gets to "review" the decision, the problem is they have no power other than financial if they wish to stop the war. So the only thing they can do is turn off the finances to the military, and wait for the money to run out - which is generally up to a year. They have no way of forcing the president to desist other than impeachment or cutting off the funds.
They can pass a motion, or even legislation, which the Prez can then veto, pointless. If they can muster the 2/3rds of congress they can remove him via impeachment.
Edit, spelling correction and to note that I can pull out the full details if needed - was discussed heavily on reddit a while ago
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yup. Someone has to be the ultimate commander of the military. Unfortunately (at least right now) POTUS is the commander in chief of the military.
So while his actions may not be a formal declaration of war, they certainly can cause a foreign nation to declare war on the USA.... Which simply pulls the US into a state of war regardless.
Can you guys not vote convicted felons suffering from dementia into the white house?
That would be great....
Sincerely, a Canadian.
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Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
I think Korea does and Vietnam doesn't (to the US) or vice versa. I think one was conducted with the US officially entering the war and one "in support of" a participant of the war.
...but its all games to get around congress having to vote to go to war.
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Or Indonesia, Laos, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Cambodia, Iran, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Congo, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Philippines, Syria, Yemen, Somalia again, Libya, Niger, South Sudan...
I think Congress never voted on any of them and so they were never defined by the US as being at war. They were all military operations from the instruction of the president.
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But genocidal Kamala is just as bad! I was informed about it multiple times by accounts on .ml (and not all of them are operating exclusively during Moscow working hours)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm sorry, do you have a magical alternate reality viewer that shows Kamala not doing the same exact thing except whinging along the way about "working tirelessly" to avoid the thing that is currently happening with zero repercussions for the aggressor state... ? Come on, don't forget the president that kept warning about non-existent red lines as Palestinians were being (and still are!) slaughtered by the thousands, and literally bypassed congress to send munitions to Israel despite this. Y'know, the thing that will now be super bad when Trump does it?
At least we & our government officials don't have to pretend this is fucking normal just because the president is super duper apologetic about it and pinky promises that they care about all the lives involved but conspicuously only mentioning the ones belonging to the aggressor nation!!!1!
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Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]They all did. They were just not formally declared, doesn't make it less of a war in practice, but it does in the context of the law in discussion. Loophole mechanics.
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Its like choosing the president is a really important decision.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sounds like more should have been done to prevent trump even getting on the ballot while his opposition was still in power. Oh wait, but then they couldn't run on "trump bad" and would actually have to champion something for the people to get their votes. Oh well!
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Yup. Someone has to be the ultimate commander of the military. Unfortunately (at least right now) POTUS is the commander in chief of the military.
So while his actions may not be a formal declaration of war, they certainly can cause a foreign nation to declare war on the USA.... Which simply pulls the US into a state of war regardless.
Can you guys not vote convicted felons suffering from dementia into the white house?
That would be great....
Sincerely, a Canadian.
Not American, but I am in favour of convicted felons not being in the White House too
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What a sweet old man.
