Trump says he wants Ukraine's rare earth elements as a condition of further support
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And then, presumably, sublet them to Russia.
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Ukraine should tell him to go fuck himself.
God, I hope Europe backs Ukraine to the hilt like they've been discussing.
I can't believe this utter reversal. Putin really got his money's worth out of his orange puppet.
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i hope a response is nothing more than something like: 'after russia withdraws and surrenders without condition, we'll talk. until then, go fuck yourself.'
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And warm water ports?
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So in order to protect Ukrainian land, he wants... the minerals from the land.... Sounds like surrendering to the USA instead of surrendering to Russia.
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Smart thing would be to completely agree with Trump. Get $100T in military might, defeat Russia, get call from US about new rare earth metals, and then just be like “I’m sorry, who dis?”
I mean what are they going to do, invade Ukraine? Didn’t you hear, they got $100T in military supplies to back them up.
Trump always forgetting that some of this shit don’t ROI till way longer than he’ll be around. If Ukraine has any sense, they’ll send a giant gold plate W for Trump’s win, if he promises tanks and planes. They keep saying the wars ongoing for the next fifty years for all it matters. And if the US wants that metal upfront be like, “Yeah y’all come on in and mine it yourselves, don’t let us get in your way.” Then oops, sorry we bombed that, thought it was Russia.
Like Trump thinking he’s walking with some massive upset and it’s just Ukraine court to play ball how they want. Shit yeah Ukraine “agrees” to whatever.
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Ukraine should tell Trump that the minerals are at 5 mile increments all along the eastern front
Gonna have to send troops and patriot systems to secure each one
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You know, we have rare earth minerals in the US. The mines closed up, but they can be reopened. Rare earth isn't particularly rare, it's just that there are shortages due to the ramp up of EVs and solar panels. Things Trump hates.
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Bringing in additional American military support now, getting American development dollars later, adding local jobs, all in exchange for tax revenues from mined minerals sounds like a win-win-win-win.
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Looks like the tech bros and oil oligarchs are really getting their money's worth. They bought this
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The funny thing is that a deal which brings foreign investment to Ukraine can be good for Ukraine even if the minerals are sold on terms very favorable to the USA. I wish Trump didn't make it sound like extortion but who knows - maybe that's what gets Republican voters on board.
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New number, who dis? - Ukraine
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I'd 100% agree but Trump and his POS buddies are some the least trustworthy people on earth. I think he'll end up fucking the Ukrainians somehow
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The smart thing to do is to get their help, put the investment into a state-owned rare-earth mining company, and sell those back to the US at market price later. Or maybe even agree on a discount for some fixed time.
I don't really understand where Trump is going with that.
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Honestly this is a good opportunity for Ukraine because trump is very easy to manipulate.
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Ukraine should say "absolutely!.. but we can't do any of that until all Russia is gone from Ukrainian soil including Crimea. We wouldn't want your Rare Earth metals to be attacked by Russians. Also we'll need to ship them out of our port cities many of which Russia currently occupies in the sea of Azov and Crimea. So give us everything we need to clear out the Russians and we'll get started on shipping you ore! Also, you want to make sure Ukraine is sovereign at the end of this and that Russia has no control over us because you know Putin won't honor our deal on Rare Earths for the USA"
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Rare Earth minerals aren't uncommon, they're just very sparsely spread over large areas of dirt or water. The hard, dirty, and expensive work of producing Rare Earth metals is the refinement. I'm not seeing any requirement here the Ukraine refines it. This means that Ukraine could fulfill the commitment to trump buy shipping raw ore. The only think Ukraine will have to do is shovel dirt right out of the ground and put it in ships on the way to the USA. Any level of concentration would qualify (and again, they're not rare, just not densely concentrated).
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Much of the military aid Ukraine has received is loans of military gear. Ukraine knows this and is planning on paying this back over many decades. If Ukraine could offer shiploads of dirt as payment, they could get out from under the war debt far earlier than they planned.
Ukraine should absolutely take this deal. It secures their borders, kicks Russia out, keeps the country sovereign, and reduces their war debt. Oh, it will probably also piss off Putin, which is a nice side win.
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Yes and no. Some is, yes, but a lot isn't. After all how do you think ISIS was able to get those black hawks running in the first place?
And if you've ever read through leaked training manuals you'd be shocked by how easy it is to get around whatever DRM some stuff has.
