Too soon?
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You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
This IS the begotten violence. MAGA chuds have already killed what they perceive to be left wing leaders. And their own leaders are in the process of killing the rest of us. No one wants this, but when the violence has been already happening? Yeah, it's nice to see that it's a nazi dead for once.
But I'd much prefer there weren't nazis in power trying to put me and others like me in the fucking death camps first. Until then, yeah I'm going to cheer when a nazi dies.
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Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
This is the same man who said gun deaths are necessary for freedom. Who was shot immediately after exaggerating trans gun violence and downplaying the rest of the gun violence. He reaped what he sowed. His death is directly caused by policies he advocated for. I would of course be elated if we did not have these problems in the first place, but if someone is going to die because of this shit, I'm glad it's one of them actively making it worse.
Charlie Kirk himself wouldn't have wanted it any other way. He's quoted saying that empathy is made up and is dangerous. He didn't want my empathy and he certainly didn't fucking earn it.
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Truly, without sarcasm, I invite you to read the gospels and actually get to now about Jesus. The shortest is Mark and can be read through in one evening.
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Charlie Kirk wouldn't have wanted you to feel any empathy for him or his family.
"I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics"
Did he actually say this?
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See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you're doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that's the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What's there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you're saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they'll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don't understand is that when principles aren't applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.
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I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn’t been there (which they were) they’d undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That’s a hell of a way to lose a parent.
It's what he wanted. Quick, too.
It is fucked for those kids though. Not their fault.
Wtf, I knew this guy was a nutter, but never really knew that much about him.
The USA is so screwed holy balls.
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"No Way to Stop This Happening" Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.
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We will be lucky to stop civil war.
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Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
You are correct. The last several times it was a dem. We have protesred and taljed enough. Things only het worse for both sides. I hope they kill them all.
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Accountability is also a cornerstone of Democracy, moreso than absolute free speech. Yet there's been a lack of that too.
If anything, unrestricted speech is the seed of authoritarianism, because it allows the segregation of people in society. Hence the paradox of tolerance.
Also, when the laws only enforce one way, the people will ensure justice comes a different way.
Accountability? You mean murdering people you disagree with? Explain again to me how free speech is the seed of... authoritarianism? That's some crazy mental gymnastics. And what laws did Charlie Kirk break?
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This was apparently done by a sniper, so not really a concealed carry thing.
Surely the sniper was stopped by all the people conceal carrying though? I'm told that lots of guns makes everything ever so much safer.
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Look what you made me do, I've opened a bottle of very good pinot to ponder these things.
I had a good night sleep.
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Sometimes in the future...
"Mummy, what kind of man was Daddy?"
"Well... His final words were 'Counting or not counting gang violence?'"
He died doing what he loved, making excuses for gun violence.
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Did he actually say this?
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We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
Slight nitpick. Though I agree with the whole "we're never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either." In the long term. In the short term there are a lot of innocent people in US concentration camps and whom have been deported. Who would strongly disagree with you.
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Accountability? You mean murdering people you disagree with? Explain again to me how free speech is the seed of... authoritarianism? That's some crazy mental gymnastics. And what laws did Charlie Kirk break?
Perhaps not American law (well, that's debatable too), but he certainly would have been hanged to death at the Nuremberg trials, since he has done the same propaganda that other Nazis in Hitler's government did. That is, if we simply ignore your "appeal to law" fallacy.
That he faced no consequences for stochastic terrorism among other things is only an indication of the failings of both your justice system and your country's morality. Violence like this, against people like him, only happens when there is a lack of justice.
As for how absolute free speech (not to be confused with regulated speech or absolute censorship) can be the seeds of authoritarianism, I suggest you read Popper's "paradox of tolerance" as a starting source. Speech without consequences begets falsehoods that are ripe for any right wing government to co-opt. Which is exactly what has been happening in the USA for quite some time.
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Surely the sniper was stopped by all the people conceal carrying though? I'm told that lots of guns makes everything ever so much safer.
3000 people all shooting their handguns at the sound of the rifle.... might work!
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Yea, all that gang violence in all those schools, Chuck.
What a perfect time for him to be shot. It’s poetry, truly.
It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
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He really stuck his neck out for it, worked himself bloody. He took his shot.
Stuck to his guns
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The man lived and died by his words.
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lol. lmao, even.
Thoughts and prayers
