Too soon?
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You don’t know me. I’m covered from head to toe with scars from growing up in a world much like the one you grew up in. Hospital trip after hospital trip, police officers taking Polaroids, swearing that my brother and I were wrestling and a mirror fell on me, or my hand got broke because I crashed an atv. I was locked in a room and starved to the point that I was stunted, the only male in my family who isn’t over 6ft tall. I sat in a courtroom after the cotton swab that was shoved in my ass didn’t provide the evidence needed to put a motherfucker in jail.
Somehow, I just don’t have a taste for violence.
I’m not sad that Charlie Kirk died. I’m sad that someone killed another human being in front of the world and I’m terrified of what comes next. I’m terrified that he’ll be a martyr and inspire more people than he ever could have inspired living his life to its natural conclusion. I have no doubt that some of that inspiration will be violent retaliation.
Just like when the moron shot at Trump and missed. You can go back to the comment I made that day. It went something like, “Well, they made him a goddamn hero and the election is over now.”
I think we could have prevented the rise of Donald Trump. I think people like Kirk and Shapiro could be made irrelevant. I believe we can do that with our goddamn brains and we don’t have to be apes to get what we want.
Just because you're not a fighter doesn't mean you're right.
Did your dad stop because you didn't fight back?
I'm sorry, but you sound more like my older brother than anything. Guess which one of us didn't get beat as a teen at some point?
A bully doesn't stop just because you're peaceful. A psychopath doesn't go easier on people because there's less resistance. Even you tried violence - you think incarceration isn't a form of violence? If you say no, you'd be saying when you got locked up in a room, that was a peaceful action then. But we both know that's not the case, is it? Even you tried putting the fucker in a jail - just not with your own violence but with the backing of the state.
Trump nearly getting shot didn't win him the election. Running Kamala as his opponent did, and I had told my family as much back then (this is assuming there were no electoral shenanigans).
And whether Charlie Kirk lived or died, there already has been violence against others. That's what ICE is. That's what the gay voice actor for King of the Hill getting killed was. That's what Kyle Rittenhouse did.
The government is run by people like your dad. Was your dad someone who would change if nothing was done against him? What if now, you made it so he could avoid legal consequences too? What if he knew the police, the courts, etc would never touch him?
That's what you're dealing with.
I don't blame you for being a coward, and thinking being peaceful will maybe make things better. Not everyone has that fire in them. My brother didn't, and my mother didn't for the longest time either. Some people do, some don't. That's not your fault. You don't have to support those willing to fight back.
But you sure as hell don't get to say it's wrong for them to do so either. They fight so people like you, hopefully, one day, don't go through the shit you did. They kill if they have to because there's no alternative left. Had they done so much, much sooner, things wouldn't have been as bad as they are. But the bullies have convinced the majority that docility will make things better - because having no opposition is what they want.
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The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It doesn't matter who the shooter was, or what their actual motive may have been. This was the line before the bullet was fired. Now it's up to the regime to issue swift and disproportionate reprisals, probably against pre-selected targets: trans people, universities, blue cities, etc.
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Nuremberg was after the holocaust. You can't just skip over the fact that Charlie Kirk has not instigated a holocaust, nor can you assume that he would have. That's not even a logical fallacy, it's simply not even true. Accusing me of a logical fallacy is rich in irony. Seriously, it's so dumb I don't even know what to say.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Stating not breaking laws is equivalent to doing no harm / doing nothing wrong is the logical fallacy, specifically "appeal to law".
Saying a genocide has to happen in order for someone's evil to be justified however, is insane. By your logic, attempted murder shouldn't be a crime either, because no one got killed.
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“Undeniably.” Not at all. I deny it. The Dem administrations played a pivotal role in building ICE to this level, and Kamala absolutely devastated the immigrant community as Biden’s border czar.
You should diversify the kind of news sources you’re looking at.
Kamala and get administration wouldn't have put an antivaxxer in charge of the FDC or climate deniers in charge of the EPA etc.
Nor would they have had straight up thugs running around like the current ICE.
The Dems (or more specifically, the DNC) have definitely enabled on purpose the Republicans. But they at least mostly followed the law and kept order.
I understand the frustration of people not understanding that the DNC Democrats are very right wing as well, and even actually collaborate with Republicans / fascists. But they're more culturally liberal oligarchs than straight up authoritarian fascists. People would still be harmed by their policies, but groups like Transexuals wouldn't have to fear they'll get killed by the government.
Equating the two completely is bad faith. They're very close - cut a neoliberal and a fascist bleeds - but they're not the same. Under Kamala, the might have been a 10% chance at a more peaceful resolution via elections (maybe 25% if Trump died, 50% if he actually went to jail) because leftists like Mamandi could have kept running and winning some power.
But under Trump, there's no more chance of that at all, PLUS it accelerates all the bad thing.
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The Republicans’ rubber stamp, and lack of a competent opposition, is proving to be an absolute nightmare for the party. They’re getting away with everything they ever wanted, and people are seeing the immediate consequences play out. When your policies start killing people, people literally fight back. You’ve given people nothing to lose, and this population is armed to the teeth. What did they think was going to happen?
You can’t declare war on a population, and then expect to walk freely in the open air among that population.
The Republicans getting everything they ever wanted will be what caused the party’s destruction. The Democrats helping them do it will destroy them, too.
True, but let's not pretend this is some natural result of fucking around like with climate change. This is a result that will have to be affected through actions of individuals. There will be people doing "bad" things for good reasons. Things that need to be done to create that downfall.
It will not be pretty and the perpetraitors will not be treated well by the media. It will have the potential to spark a proper civil war, (as if one's not already here) and it will be ugly. We must be prepared for bad news and prepare our relatives to not fall for the blatant lies that will be reported as fact (as if that hasn't been happening since time immemorial).
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Kamala and get administration wouldn't have put an antivaxxer in charge of the FDC or climate deniers in charge of the EPA etc.
Nor would they have had straight up thugs running around like the current ICE.
The Dems (or more specifically, the DNC) have definitely enabled on purpose the Republicans. But they at least mostly followed the law and kept order.
I understand the frustration of people not understanding that the DNC Democrats are very right wing as well, and even actually collaborate with Republicans / fascists. But they're more culturally liberal oligarchs than straight up authoritarian fascists. People would still be harmed by their policies, but groups like Transexuals wouldn't have to fear they'll get killed by the government.
Equating the two completely is bad faith. They're very close - cut a neoliberal and a fascist bleeds - but they're not the same. Under Kamala, the might have been a 10% chance at a more peaceful resolution via elections (maybe 25% if Trump died, 50% if he actually went to jail) because leftists like Mamandi could have kept running and winning some power.
But under Trump, there's no more chance of that at all, PLUS it accelerates all the bad thing.
The Biden/Harris admin acknowledged climate change, and appointed the first Native American to the position of Secretary of the Interior, who then approved the Willow Project (which climate scientists declared a world ending “carbon bomb”), and approved such a record number of fossil fuel extractions that the courts struck them down for not considering the climate impact.
The Biden admin’s CDC prematurely ended Covid guidelines, and let the ceo of Delta set their post-infection isolation guidelines. Biden’s FDA were approving drugs that they knew didn’t work, because they wanted to appease their pharma lobbyists.
It’s clear you don’t give a damn about outcomes. You’re just upset at the lack of performance and decorum.
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Biden deported 250% more people than Trump’s first term, and Stephen Miller was reportedly screaming at a meeting with ICE leadership because he was pissed they were barely keeping pace with Biden’s deportation numbers.
The Democrat fascists have troves of victims, too, but the media only gives them a microphone when they’re victims of Republicans.
Biden deported them without going to the legal process? Like I'm pro-immigration so I get it. But there's a big difference from deporting people via the legal process. Versus picking up some guy who's a US citizen who has a tattoo of his mom on his shoulder. Calling him a gang member and then sending him to some other country to a slave prison without due process.
Neither Biden or Trump are good, but it's really hard to argue that things would be just as bad today under Biden or Harris then they are under Trump. And Trump's not even done with the first year of his second term.
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Trump is a figurehead. Project 2025 was/is a massive plan that took years to lay out.
Do not delude yourself into thinking the Republican party is a cabal of idiots.They sure aren't, orange turd is nothing more than a scapegoat in the bigger scale.
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suspect? rofl! Charlie was evil. Unquestionably.
Does a good person call empathy a weakness? Does a good person say some gun deaths are totally acceptable for the 2a? Does a good person dogwhistle about minorities and cast blame on trans people for things they didn't do?
You're either woefully stupid or trolling. You should think before you type either way. Occam's Razer should require some thought.
Should his (possibly) millions of his supporters also die? Should they preemptively start killing people they view as threats to them? You know, since some people are saying that they should die for their opinions... you see how this goes? It's not hard to see how a zero sum game ends without any winners. That's why you have to compromise by at least not killing each other.
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Stating not breaking laws is equivalent to doing no harm / doing nothing wrong is the logical fallacy, specifically "appeal to law".
Saying a genocide has to happen in order for someone's evil to be justified however, is insane. By your logic, attempted murder shouldn't be a crime either, because no one got killed.
I can't believe I'm discussing whether or not it is wrong to kill someone for the crimes they may or may not ever commit...
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It's a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It's fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain't wasting a caring thought on him.
It's not about him, it's about the implications of embracing actions like this. Vigilantes killing people for political reasons without due process is not justice
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Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.
Can cite specific examples of this?
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The Biden/Harris admin acknowledged climate change, and appointed the first Native American to the position of Secretary of the Interior, who then approved the Willow Project (which climate scientists declared a world ending “carbon bomb”), and approved such a record number of fossil fuel extractions that the courts struck them down for not considering the climate impact.
The Biden admin’s CDC prematurely ended Covid guidelines, and let the ceo of Delta set their post-infection isolation guidelines. Biden’s FDA were approving drugs that they knew didn’t work, because they wanted to appease their pharma lobbyists.
It’s clear you don’t give a damn about outcomes. You’re just upset at the lack of performance and decorum.
The Biden/Harris admin acknowledged climate change, and appointed the first Native American to the position of Secretary of the Interior, who then approved the Willow Project (which climate scientists declared a world ending “carbon bomb”), and approved such a record number of fossil fuel extractions that the courts struck them down for not considering the climate impact.
Yes, he approved that. He also did all of this. In particular, I'd like to point out this part in the wiki:
"Some environmental organizations, including Sierra Club, Sunrise Movement, Earthjustice, and more, claim that President Biden took 322 actions to protect the environment—more than any other president in history."
Although I disagree that those actions are as equivalent as important as say the National Parks program for example. Either way, go ahead and show that the Trump admin has even mentioned the intention of doing anything similar. I'll wait. (You do realize this rhetoric only helps the fascists too, right? Just as much as pretending the DNC Dems are left wing).
The Biden admin’s CDC prematurely ended Covid guidelines, and let the ceo of Delta set their post-infection isolation guidelines. Biden’s FDA were approving drugs that they knew didn’t work, because they wanted to appease their pharma lobbyists.
To pretend that the Biden administration's actions were ANYTHING near as bad as Trump's is just a bad faith argument. It honestly just makes you seem like you're purposefully making the literal anti-science fascists seem not bad by pretending the two were even close, for fuck's sake. At least the dude knew basic fucking biology.
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I can't believe I'm discussing whether or not it is wrong to kill someone for the crimes they may or may not ever commit...
Still on that "appeal to law" fallacy huh?
Since apparently you can't be arsed to look it up, here's a direct link:
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The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
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That, and then immediately dog whistling about minorities. Fuck him.
Well he's in hell now.
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It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
Happy Birthday!!
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I was about to comment on how no-one ever actually uses the 2A to do any good but then I gathered from context that I've slept through half a news cycle.
Fkin a
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They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors. Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
By your tone, it sounds to me like you think i don't wholeheartedly agree. Which is incorrect.
If you take only that part of my comment, sure. Try reading the rest of it.
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We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
– the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America
It's not the law, but it is from the founders' cassus belli. Also in there is this
He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.
He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended Offences:
That seems more to me a declaration of what is deserved, not where it comes from and who enforces it. In fact, it specifically says it's up to the people to reclaim those rights if taken.
What is given by god cannot be taken, so if the rights can be taken and must be defended...
