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Gun deaths from the son of a sheriff deputy and care worker, y'know, the typical "homegrowns".
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I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
@surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk "terrorize" anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.
I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of...and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.
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The man lived and died by his words.
@mechoman444 @jballs Liberals do not understand integrity. So many are laughing because he died by one of the very rights he fought to preserve. The truth is, I don't think Charlie would change his stance on the 2nd Amendment today, if we could ask him.
What he said was true. You drive cars and there are accidents and intentional homicides regularly. Why aren't you fighting to get cars off the streets? Kids die from alcohol poisoning. Let's get rid of alcohol. Use your brains, people. #liberal
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God given rights?
Didn't the British leave Britain for America to get away from the church and give themselves their own rights?
Jesus famously turned wine into an M-16.
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@mechoman444 @jballs Liberals do not understand integrity. So many are laughing because he died by one of the very rights he fought to preserve. The truth is, I don't think Charlie would change his stance on the 2nd Amendment today, if we could ask him.
What he said was true. You drive cars and there are accidents and intentional homicides regularly. Why aren't you fighting to get cars off the streets? Kids die from alcohol poisoning. Let's get rid of alcohol. Use your brains, people. #liberal
Lol! Fantastic. This is wonderful thank you so much for commenting.
So the big argument is cars and alcohol? Brilliant. Because when was the last time someone walked into a classroom holding a Toyota Corolla in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other?
Cars exist to get people from point A to point B. Alcohol exists to drink. Guns exist to kill. That is the design. Pretending they are all the same is a false equivalence.
We also happen to lead the world in school shootings and active shooters. Canada, which looks a whole lot like us culturally and legally, manages fewer gun deaths per capita. Maybe the problem is not cars or booze. Maybe the problem is metal health. Because guns at the end of the day are just tools used by humans.
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@surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk "terrorize" anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.
I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of...and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.
He created a literal hitlist of professors, and convinced people that violence against trans people was a moral imperative.
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It's not a straw man. It's a hypothetical. Feel free to answer it when you want.
Also, what do you mean about policies? If Trump didn't change his policies and nuked California, would you then still say that Biden and Trump are equally as bad?
That’s what a strawman is, dumbass.
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He created a literal hitlist of professors, and convinced people that violence against trans people was a moral imperative.
@surph_ninja a hitlist? He may have named people he felt were contributing to the rot of this nation, but you show me proof that he ever called for a hit or for people to do anything more than speak against the issues.
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Lol! Fantastic. This is wonderful thank you so much for commenting.
So the big argument is cars and alcohol? Brilliant. Because when was the last time someone walked into a classroom holding a Toyota Corolla in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other?
Cars exist to get people from point A to point B. Alcohol exists to drink. Guns exist to kill. That is the design. Pretending they are all the same is a false equivalence.
We also happen to lead the world in school shootings and active shooters. Canada, which looks a whole lot like us culturally and legally, manages fewer gun deaths per capita. Maybe the problem is not cars or booze. Maybe the problem is metal health. Because guns at the end of the day are just tools used by humans.
@mechoman444 Guns do more than kill. They are used for sport as well. But I would agree that killing is their main purpose. They are simply tools. People use all manner of tools to kill people. I would rather address the hatred and desire to kill. Then the tools would not be used.
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@surph_ninja a hitlist? He may have named people he felt were contributing to the rot of this nation, but you show me proof that he ever called for a hit or for people to do anything more than speak against the issues.
Read the testimonials of the experiences of people he put on his Professor Watchlist.
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Read the testimonials of the experiences of people he put on his Professor Watchlist.
@surph_ninja The purpose of https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ was simply to "expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom." You have no proof that he ever pushed followers to do anything vile or hateful to those professors.
Even if his followers did, that doesn't mean he condoned it. Show us proof. Less talk, more evidence. #lies #propaganda #turningpointusa #charliekirk
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@surph_ninja The purpose of https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ was simply to "expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom." You have no proof that he ever pushed followers to do anything vile or hateful to those professors.
Even if his followers did, that doesn't mean he condoned it. Show us proof. Less talk, more evidence. #lies #propaganda #turningpointusa #charliekirk
Nah. He’s dead now. He won’t hurt anyone again. No need to prove it anymore, now that the trash has been taken out. Good riddance.
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All of you make me sick the left is just as toxic #provemewrong
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Good luck talking to these guys there like 2 year olds that can't have a Adult discussion.
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@mechoman444 Guns do more than kill. They are used for sport as well. But I would agree that killing is their main purpose. They are simply tools. People use all manner of tools to kill people. I would rather address the hatred and desire to kill. Then the tools would not be used.
Ya man. Mental health. Your boy Charlie was big in putting homeless people and transgenders in insane asylums.
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Nah. He’s dead now. He won’t hurt anyone again. No need to prove it anymore, now that the trash has been taken out. Good riddance.
@surph_ninja What kind of a person makes unqualified accusations against a dead man without providing any proof? And then we asked about evidence, dismisses the need to validate claims against someone’s character?
You are a bitter, hateful person and from what I see you are much closer to the type of person you claim Charlie was than he has ever been. I pity you. I honestly feel bad for you.
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Ya man. Mental health. Your boy Charlie was big in putting homeless people and transgenders in insane asylums.
@mechoman444 I would love to see some evidence that Charlie Kirk ever had one person admitted to an asylum. Show me one admittance form with his name on it. You might find some videos where he claimed those people were mentally ill. I believe he honestly felt that they were and had more concern for their mental well-being than you do.
I don’t believe that agreement and tolerance are always healthy. There are things we should stand against that society accepts. That isn’t hate. #lie
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@surph_ninja What kind of a person makes unqualified accusations against a dead man without providing any proof? And then we asked about evidence, dismisses the need to validate claims against someone’s character?
You are a bitter, hateful person and from what I see you are much closer to the type of person you claim Charlie was than he has ever been. I pity you. I honestly feel bad for you.
You’re a white supremacist. Your kind is a disease on this planet.
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You’re a white supremacist. Your kind is a disease on this planet.
@surph_ninja LOL. Since you don't know me, you have no idea how absurd that statement is. All you know is that I am white. If that is your idea of a white supremacist, then God help us all.
Resorting to name-calling doesn't support your case. I would like to say it has been a pleasure chatting, but that would be dishonest. I truly wish you were up the challenge of a real conversation.
The real disease on this planet is something called sin. I am definitely part of the problem. We all are.
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That’s what a strawman is, dumbass.
A hypothetical is not a straw man.
By virtue of you not addressing my two hypotheticals, I have now decided that you would respond to the nuking of California by Trump with both Biden and Trump are the same. Which is an insane position to have, which is probably why you're not answering the hypotheticals in the first place. Because you know it's insane, and yet you still hold that position.
I noticed you also dodged my question about policy versus outcomes.
It's pretty clear that you don't care and you're just a troll or an idiot.
You'd be doing everyone a favor, scratch that, possibly saving some lives, by getting your jollies off on trolling something other than politics.
I see no further reason to reply on this thread.
Have a nice life.
