Too soon?
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Lol! Fantastic. This is wonderful thank you so much for commenting.
So the big argument is cars and alcohol? Brilliant. Because when was the last time someone walked into a classroom holding a Toyota Corolla in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other?
Cars exist to get people from point A to point B. Alcohol exists to drink. Guns exist to kill. That is the design. Pretending they are all the same is a false equivalence.
We also happen to lead the world in school shootings and active shooters. Canada, which looks a whole lot like us culturally and legally, manages fewer gun deaths per capita. Maybe the problem is not cars or booze. Maybe the problem is metal health. Because guns at the end of the day are just tools used by humans.
@mechoman444 Guns do more than kill. They are used for sport as well. But I would agree that killing is their main purpose. They are simply tools. People use all manner of tools to kill people. I would rather address the hatred and desire to kill. Then the tools would not be used.
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@surph_ninja a hitlist? He may have named people he felt were contributing to the rot of this nation, but you show me proof that he ever called for a hit or for people to do anything more than speak against the issues.
Read the testimonials of the experiences of people he put on his Professor Watchlist.
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Read the testimonials of the experiences of people he put on his Professor Watchlist.
@surph_ninja The purpose of https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ was simply to "expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom." You have no proof that he ever pushed followers to do anything vile or hateful to those professors.
Even if his followers did, that doesn't mean he condoned it. Show us proof. Less talk, more evidence. #lies #propaganda #turningpointusa #charliekirk
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@surph_ninja The purpose of https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ was simply to "expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom." You have no proof that he ever pushed followers to do anything vile or hateful to those professors.
Even if his followers did, that doesn't mean he condoned it. Show us proof. Less talk, more evidence. #lies #propaganda #turningpointusa #charliekirk
Nah. He’s dead now. He won’t hurt anyone again. No need to prove it anymore, now that the trash has been taken out. Good riddance.
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All of you make me sick the left is just as toxic #provemewrong
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RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
Good luck talking to these guys there like 2 year olds that can't have a Adult discussion.
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@mechoman444 Guns do more than kill. They are used for sport as well. But I would agree that killing is their main purpose. They are simply tools. People use all manner of tools to kill people. I would rather address the hatred and desire to kill. Then the tools would not be used.
Ya man. Mental health. Your boy Charlie was big in putting homeless people and transgenders in insane asylums.
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Nah. He’s dead now. He won’t hurt anyone again. No need to prove it anymore, now that the trash has been taken out. Good riddance.
@surph_ninja What kind of a person makes unqualified accusations against a dead man without providing any proof? And then we asked about evidence, dismisses the need to validate claims against someone’s character?
You are a bitter, hateful person and from what I see you are much closer to the type of person you claim Charlie was than he has ever been. I pity you. I honestly feel bad for you.
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Ya man. Mental health. Your boy Charlie was big in putting homeless people and transgenders in insane asylums.
@mechoman444 I would love to see some evidence that Charlie Kirk ever had one person admitted to an asylum. Show me one admittance form with his name on it. You might find some videos where he claimed those people were mentally ill. I believe he honestly felt that they were and had more concern for their mental well-being than you do.
I don’t believe that agreement and tolerance are always healthy. There are things we should stand against that society accepts. That isn’t hate. #lie
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@surph_ninja What kind of a person makes unqualified accusations against a dead man without providing any proof? And then we asked about evidence, dismisses the need to validate claims against someone’s character?
You are a bitter, hateful person and from what I see you are much closer to the type of person you claim Charlie was than he has ever been. I pity you. I honestly feel bad for you.
You’re a white supremacist. Your kind is a disease on this planet.
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You’re a white supremacist. Your kind is a disease on this planet.
@surph_ninja LOL. Since you don't know me, you have no idea how absurd that statement is. All you know is that I am white. If that is your idea of a white supremacist, then God help us all.
Resorting to name-calling doesn't support your case. I would like to say it has been a pleasure chatting, but that would be dishonest. I truly wish you were up the challenge of a real conversation.
The real disease on this planet is something called sin. I am definitely part of the problem. We all are.
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That’s what a strawman is, dumbass.
A hypothetical is not a straw man.
By virtue of you not addressing my two hypotheticals, I have now decided that you would respond to the nuking of California by Trump with both Biden and Trump are the same. Which is an insane position to have, which is probably why you're not answering the hypotheticals in the first place. Because you know it's insane, and yet you still hold that position.
I noticed you also dodged my question about policy versus outcomes.
It's pretty clear that you don't care and you're just a troll or an idiot.
You'd be doing everyone a favor, scratch that, possibly saving some lives, by getting your jollies off on trolling something other than politics.
I see no further reason to reply on this thread.
Have a nice life.
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A hypothetical is not a straw man.
By virtue of you not addressing my two hypotheticals, I have now decided that you would respond to the nuking of California by Trump with both Biden and Trump are the same. Which is an insane position to have, which is probably why you're not answering the hypotheticals in the first place. Because you know it's insane, and yet you still hold that position.
I noticed you also dodged my question about policy versus outcomes.
It's pretty clear that you don't care and you're just a troll or an idiot.
You'd be doing everyone a favor, scratch that, possibly saving some lives, by getting your jollies off on trolling something other than politics.
I see no further reason to reply on this thread.
Have a nice life.
Hahaha. Applying for Kirk’s old job? This must be satire.
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@surph_ninja LOL. Since you don't know me, you have no idea how absurd that statement is. All you know is that I am white. If that is your idea of a white supremacist, then God help us all.
Resorting to name-calling doesn't support your case. I would like to say it has been a pleasure chatting, but that would be dishonest. I truly wish you were up the challenge of a real conversation.
The real disease on this planet is something called sin. I am definitely part of the problem. We all are.
If you defend Nazis, you’re a Nazi. If you defend white supremacists, you’re a white supremacist. Pretty simple.
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If you defend Nazis, you’re a Nazi. If you defend white supremacists, you’re a white supremacist. Pretty simple.
@surph_ninja You can label me and anybody else whatever you want. When you don't provide any justification for your slander other than anecdotes and regurgitation of propaganda...
Nevermind, this conversation thread is boring me now. I might as well be talking to my toaster oven. God bless. #uncivildiscourse #timewasted #propaganda #Godhelpus
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Nonviolent resistance movements are more likely to facilitate transitions from autocracy to democracy, improve democratic qualities like civil liberties, transform security forces and judicial systems in rights-respecting directions, and enhance well-being measures such as life expectancy.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2452292924000365
The commonly held belief that most revolutions that have happened in dictatorial regimes were bloody or violent uprisings is not borne out by historical analysis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution
Empirical evidence strongly favors strategic, organized nonviolent resistance as the most effective path to sustainable political change.
Political assassinations are a tool of desperation. They're effective at creating instability and further violence; counterproductive for achieving lasting political goals. They fail to eliminate the ideas, movements, and structures that person represented.
Those nonviolent movements didn't exist in a vaccuum, and dismissing the violence that WAS present as wholly separate and due no credit is IGNORING HISTORY.
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@mechoman444 I would love to see some evidence that Charlie Kirk ever had one person admitted to an asylum. Show me one admittance form with his name on it. You might find some videos where he claimed those people were mentally ill. I believe he honestly felt that they were and had more concern for their mental well-being than you do.
I don’t believe that agreement and tolerance are always healthy. There are things we should stand against that society accepts. That isn’t hate. #lie
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Your prose comes across as deliberately nice and tolerant, but that only highlights how shaky your stance is. You frame "tolerance" as though it excuses supporting Charlie Kirk. It doesn't. Using tolerance to shield a bigot and a racist is not a virtue, it's complicity.
Opposing Kirk's rhetoric isn't hatred. It's simply refusing to let prejudice masquerade as principle.
Also, to be clear I never ment that charlie Kirk ever admitted or had someone committed to a facility. But he is on record saying that homeless people and transgenders should all be committed to mental health facilities.
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Your prose comes across as deliberately nice and tolerant, but that only highlights how shaky your stance is. You frame "tolerance" as though it excuses supporting Charlie Kirk. It doesn't. Using tolerance to shield a bigot and a racist is not a virtue, it's complicity.
Opposing Kirk's rhetoric isn't hatred. It's simply refusing to let prejudice masquerade as principle.
Also, to be clear I never ment that charlie Kirk ever admitted or had someone committed to a facility. But he is on record saying that homeless people and transgenders should all be committed to mental health facilities.
@mechoman444 If he is "on record" with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My "prose" is just the way I speak. I don't care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk's commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
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@mechoman444 If he is "on record" with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My "prose" is just the way I speak. I don't care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk's commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
@luyapapi If you come to this conclusion, you have to be very close to the Nazis.
Charlie Kirks ideology was way more hateful and anti-human.
You are a thinly veiled troll. #truth
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@luyapapi If you come to this conclusion, you have to be very close to the Nazis.
Charlie Kirks ideology was way more hateful and anti-human.
You are a thinly veiled troll. #truth
Your faked civility in writing would be something to compliment, but we live in the age of chatbots, so it's questionable if these skills are yours.@DerGiga @mechoman444 If you people understood how silly it sounded to competent people for you to compare someone like Charlie Kirk to the Nazi regime...It would be comical if it wasn't so disturbing. What you don't understand is that your hyperbole undermines your position.
You are trying so hard to vilify people that you go to the furthest extreme of inhumanity instead of comparing them to less evil people. It is such a jump that it makes me laugh. You would be more effective with less.
