Germans, please go to vote!
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Sorry, but as someone who had their vote suppressed this time due to impossible short mail voting times (and this not being the first time) I have to sadly disagree. If you live abroad and not somewhere close to an German embassy, voting is usually not feasible without a lot of time and money involved.
Do you have a better system in mind? Care to expose it?
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I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
[...] CDU ... I do think they might be stronger on the economy too
Hell no, their economic platform is basically "make believe".
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No no no, but if you vote AfD it is very important to sign your vote
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The AfD will likely get about 20% (I haze it, but its the reality we live in), but what is also great is, that our leftist party will get about 8%. They won't be in the government, but they for sure will annoy the hell out of them. They will also pressure the more left leaning parties to not do everything our conservatives want to do. They also promised that they want to push to forwards to the so called "Mietendeckel" (rent lid) to end the raising of rent prices which means more stability for about 46% of people. I am optimistic, that they can do this. They have completely rearranged themselves and skyrocketed from about 2.5% a few months ago to now 8% in the polls. We didnt have so many members in the left party in 15 years. The left party has also been responsible for the crarion of the minimum wage in Germany without being part of the government.
Even tho that the government will be ass, I hope for our left party do actually change something. Even tho we aren't part of the government we already won this election.
Good luck from Spain, a friend of mine is in Berlin with your party, has worked very hard theses days, and hopes you can get a good result. Go ahead!!!
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Lots of politicians would be jailed, if it would be that easy ...
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as an American. vote like your life depends on it.
because it does.
not only that, make sure that none of your voting locations are using starlink internet access.
Yeah, voting is essential.
But don't worry about starlink, the German voting process happens on paper sheets. The voter has to be identified before the vote. Then all votes get counted by hand and multiple times, submitted by fax and telephone.
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as an American. vote like your life depends on it.
because it does.
not only that, make sure that none of your voting locations are using starlink internet access.
make sure that none of your voting locations are using starlink internet access
? Germany is old-fashioned and when it comes to elections I'm happy that we're sticking to pen and paper. And actual humans doing the counting.
On a sidenote - Starlink isn't that big in Germany. I don't think I've ever read/heard about any public authorities using it.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Please go vote. Don’t join the US and Russia axis.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
I just fucking hope those polls were just more of the corporate right wing propaganda we see everywhere. I can’t imagine voting right after seeing all of the conservative incompetence in recent years.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Please. We need sense to win
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[...] CDU ... I do think they might be stronger on the economy too
Hell no, their economic platform is basically "make believe".
Which party do you think would fare better and why? What I thought I knew about Merz is that he favors tax cuts and deregulation, which are definitely factors that Germany does need currently, but am I wrong about his views?
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From another fellow nordic, I honestly think any vote that is not for AFD or the pro-russian left is good enough at this point. I also think that CDU suck, but the important thing now is keeping fascism and Russian influence down. Other values are secondary for now.
I’d love to hear why they suck and who would be better and why. SPD track record has been driving Germany to the ground the past few years and the Green denuclearization policies are a disaster both in terms of economics and self-reliance. But of course those view are mine and may well be wrong, that’s just one viewpoint and perhaps poorly informed.
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I think CDU is pretty much middle to right ground of kokoomus and persu (both more right wing Finnish parties). And CDU has already taken some AfD point and looking like they would be happy to work with AfD, as kokoomus was first very anti persu, before last election where they set government together.
CDU with other partners would be "fine", but I think everyone's worried is they wanna stay in power and happily take AfD to guarantee their government position.I see, I think the consensus view here is quite left-leaning so maybe that’s where the negative view comes from. I’m more Kokoomus leaning myself so I don’t see it as bad but I can understand there’s a lot of polarization going on right now.
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CDU is only a smidge behind on AfD for being rightwibg shitheads, so no, CDU will be terrible.
I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically, but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
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Do you have a better system in mind? Care to expose it?
There is a lot of potential for digitalisation of the process even if you don't want the final vote to happen digital.
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I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically, but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically
Eww
but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
Yes, they recently voted together with the Nazi party AfD on the topic of immigrants. Just the most recent example. Also the lead candidate for that party voted against making marital rape illegal.
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I think it's important nowadays to have faith in your government and democracy. You definitely should vote and you can be proud to help put your country into a direction you feel is best. This post seems to convey the message that you should vote to save democracy. This fear of the end of democracy might just end up increasing the influence of extreme political parties. In the US election both parties warned it will be the last vote.
German polls seem to indicate that CDU/CSU will be the strongest party and they will most likely not go into coalition with AfD, so the AfDs influence will not be much but they will probably get a lot of votes anyways. And even though I do not like the idea of a chancellor Merz due to him being very polarizing, I think Germany got this.
Don't panic
Should Americans have faith in their government and democracy?
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I don’t necessarily see right leaning as bad automatically
Eww
but is there something extreme about the CDU or just that they’re right-leaning?
Yes, they recently voted together with the Nazi party AfD on the topic of immigrants. Just the most recent example. Also the lead candidate for that party voted against making marital rape illegal.
Could you elaborate on what they voted for? I mean yes AFD is certainly not to be supported, but I suppose it depends on what was voted upon as well. And yeah obviously marital rape is a horrible thing to support, so point taken there for sure.
The eww comment is interesting, I understand if you’re not a fan of conservatism as I’m not a fan of that either, but in Europe generally speaking the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility. Militarily the left is also understandably cautious given the history, but right now a militarily strong Germany would be needed by the rest of Europe.
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Could you elaborate on what they voted for? I mean yes AFD is certainly not to be supported, but I suppose it depends on what was voted upon as well. And yeah obviously marital rape is a horrible thing to support, so point taken there for sure.
The eww comment is interesting, I understand if you’re not a fan of conservatism as I’m not a fan of that either, but in Europe generally speaking the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility. Militarily the left is also understandably cautious given the history, but right now a militarily strong Germany would be needed by the rest of Europe.
Could you elaborate on what they voted for?
How many immigrants are allowed into the country, basically.
the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
The proposed tax plans from Die Linke is the only one with a net positive. Not my words but that of multiple economic institutions that looked at the tax plans from all the major parties.
Basically, if you make less than 7000€ per month then with Die Linke you will have more after taxes and if you have more than that/if you have a more than a million euros in property you will start paying your fair share. Right now in germany, there is only income tax but no property tax which is highly unfair to the vast majority of people working and living in Germany.It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility.
Nah, such a government would have failed hard during Covid. And with the world as it is right now (or from now on) pandemics become more and more likely. A liberal government would be terrible for that.
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Could you elaborate on what they voted for?
How many immigrants are allowed into the country, basically.
the problem with the left is that they’re socially liberal which is great but then their economic policies have generally lead to overtaxation and overregulation.
The proposed tax plans from Die Linke is the only one with a net positive. Not my words but that of multiple economic institutions that looked at the tax plans from all the major parties.
Basically, if you make less than 7000€ per month then with Die Linke you will have more after taxes and if you have more than that/if you have a more than a million euros in property you will start paying your fair share. Right now in germany, there is only income tax but no property tax which is highly unfair to the vast majority of people working and living in Germany.It would be great to have a truly liberal government with far less government spending and far more individual freedom and also individual responsibility.
Nah, such a government would have failed hard during Covid. And with the world as it is right now (or from now on) pandemics become more and more likely. A liberal government would be terrible for that.
Good, substantive comment. I disagree on the Covid part though, Sweden managed Covid wonderfully with quite liberal policies on that front. Don’t you worry with Die Linke that they’re quite pro-Russian or is that a mistaken view from me?
