Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis
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We frequently build clear, robust laws around mandatory testing. Like that recent YouTube video where the Tesla crashed through a wall, but with crash test dummies.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThose are ways to gather empirical results, though they rely on artificial, staged situations.
I think it’s fine to have both. Seat belts save lives. I see no problem mandating them. It would not be markedly better
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I would assume everyone here would agree with that
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI mean, maybe, but previously when I've said that it's typically gone over like a lead balloon. Even in tech forums, a lot of people have drunk the kool-aid that it's somehow suddenly too dangerous to allow owners to control their property just because software is involved.
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Shouldn't be an issue if drivers used it as a more advanced cruise control. Unless there is catastrophic mechanical or override failure, these things will always be the driver's fault.
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For me it depends which bike I'm riding. If it's my 49cc scooter, I'll sit to the very right side of the lane for a quick escape while watching my mirrors like a hawk. On my XR500, I'll just filter to the front (legal in Utah).
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI filter to the front on my leg powered bike, most traffic light setups here have a region for bikes at the front of the cars.
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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5
Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:
- The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
- This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
- The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.
Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.
Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byFor what it's worth, it really isn't clear if this is FSD or AP based on the constant mention of self driving even when it's older collisions when it would definitely been AP.
So these may all be AP, or one or two might be FSD, it's unclear.
Every Tesla has AP as well, so the likelihood of that being the case is higher.
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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5
Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:
- The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
- This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
- The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.
Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.
Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThis is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.
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They have remote drivers that CAN take control in very corner case situations that the software can't handle. The vast majority of driving is don't without humans in the loop.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThey don't even do that.
They can suggest what the car should do, but they aren't actually doing it. The car is in complete control.
Its a nuanced difference, but it is a difference. A Waymo employee never takes control or operates the vehicle.
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They don't even do that.
They can suggest what the car should do, but they aren't actually doing it. The car is in complete control.
Its a nuanced difference, but it is a difference. A Waymo employee never takes control or operates the vehicle.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byInteresting! I did not know that - I assumed the teleoperators took direct control, but that makes much more sense for latency reasons (among others)
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This is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byIt's like smoking: if you haven't started, don't XD
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Interesting! I did not know that - I assumed the teleoperators took direct control, but that makes much more sense for latency reasons (among others)
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI always just assumed it was their way to ensure the vehicle was really autonomous. If you have someone remotely driving it, you could argue it isn't actually an AV. Your latency idea makes a lot of sense as well though. Imagine taking over and causing an accident due to latency? This way even if the operator gives a bad suggestion, it was the car that ultimately did it.
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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5
Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:
- The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
- This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
- The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.
Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.
Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byUnless it's a higher rate than human drivers per mile or hours driven I do not care. Article doesn't have those stats so it's clickbait as far as I'm concerned
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Unless it's a higher rate than human drivers per mile or hours driven I do not care. Article doesn't have those stats so it's clickbait as far as I'm concerned
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThe fact that the other self driving brands logged zero motorcyclist fatalities means the technology exists to prevent more deaths. Tesla has chosen to allow more people to die in order to reduce cost. The families of those five dead motorcyclists certainly care.
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I think i had a stroke reading that. Take your upvote and get out!
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI'm not going to lie, I almost had a stroke writing it...
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Unless it's a higher rate than human drivers per mile or hours driven I do not care. Article doesn't have those stats so it's clickbait as far as I'm concerned
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThanks, 'Satan.
Do you know the number of miles driven by Tesla's self-driving tech? Because I don't, Tesla won't say, they're a remarkably non-transparent company where their tech is concerned. Near as I can tell, nobody does (other than folks locked up tight with NDAs). If the ratio of accidents-per-mile-driven looked good, you know as a flat fact that Elon would be Tweeting all about it.
Sorry you didn't find the death of 5 Americans newsworthy. I'll try harder for the next one.
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I'm not going to lie, I almost had a stroke writing it...
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI upvoted every comment in this sub-thread shitshow and hated all of it.
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1000 fake internet point to you sir.
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I upvoted every comment in this sub-thread shitshow and hated all of it.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byYer welcome!
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For what it's worth, it really isn't clear if this is FSD or AP based on the constant mention of self driving even when it's older collisions when it would definitely been AP.
So these may all be AP, or one or two might be FSD, it's unclear.
Every Tesla has AP as well, so the likelihood of that being the case is higher.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThat's not good though, right? "We have the technology to save lives, it works on all of our cars, and we have the ability to push it to every car in the fleet. But these people haven't paid extra for it, so..."
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This is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byAs someone who likes the open sky feeling, this is why I drive a convertible instead.
