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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners

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  • N [email protected]

    I'm open to hear if you guys disagree with me, but that is not simply about not having a smartphone as much as it is about not having cell service, not using data service. If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service, and people actually can live happy lives disconnected from internet when they are outside or in public.

    Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can't wait a few hours or the next day.

    I use phone only for direct communication, zero multimedia, zero social media on phone. Everything else is done on computer. Especially banking, that is on computer website only for security, never on phone. I despise and resent using a phone for websites

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    Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can’t wait a few hours or the next day.

    yeah ok so, counterpoint, you pull up to an EV charging station (it's tesla because of course it's tesla) please show me where the card reader is. I'll wait.

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    • D [email protected]

      I for one cheer and root for my flip phone friends.

      I'd never do it, but we have one at work and he's singlehandedly causing so much grief at work. Because none of the engineers wanna use a security app for login. They want a fob.

      IT refuses to pay for fobs and wants us to use an app, but they also don't want to pay for a phone for anyone in engineering just to use the security app because it opens a floodgate of people with company phones.

      It's just wonderful to watch this fight from the sidelines sipping tea.

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      I’d never do it, but we have one at work and he’s singlehandedly causing so much grief at work.

      tell him the funny internet man that replied to you told him that he was based and that we collectively appreciate his efforts of basedness.

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      • T [email protected]

        You could install an android emulator on your personal computer then run the authenticator from there.

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        BRB pulling up to a QR code scanner with my 15 inch thinkpad w520 running on 92whr of battery consuming literal watts of power because it's from 2012.

        Hopefully i'm not an inconvenience.

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        • thebat@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

          You've never seen The Big Bang Theory?

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          No I have not, heard it is offensive and unfunny.

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            Man, I hate when people like you come out with "justifications" like these.

            No. They should be banned. Trying to "justify" their existence with "well umm, sometimes you can just talk to other customers for theirs!" is fucking stupid.

            Why are we so eager to do the work of our oppressors for them?

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            I don't see a "justification" in my reply. I cannot change or influence the system, I need the discounts - so I do that.

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            • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

              It's actually incredibly common in US apartments for laundry to be a common area.

              Having a unit in your apartment means you're at least well-to-do. Poor people can mostly go fuck themselves.

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              Well-to-do? That is weird, because here not having a washing machine in the apartment would be weird even for a poor person.

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              • engineergaming@feddit.nlE [email protected]

                Well-to-do? That is weird, because here not having a washing machine in the apartment would be weird even for a poor person.

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                US hates poor people. I'm poor, I know from experience. They hold homelessness over us as a threat to keep in line.

                We went from during the pandemic, treating "essential workers" as "heroes" while not increasing their pay for risking their lives, to now, straight back to how it used to be, screaming at overworked underpaid people "You're lucky to have a job!"

                They fucking hate us.

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                • H [email protected]

                  Have you looked at Obtainium? It pulls apps directly from their release page, or f-droid repos.

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                  I see people mentioning obtainium, but never tried it. Will it give some relevant benefits over fdroid for low end devices?

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                  • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                    US hates poor people. I'm poor, I know from experience. They hold homelessness over us as a threat to keep in line.

                    We went from during the pandemic, treating "essential workers" as "heroes" while not increasing their pay for risking their lives, to now, straight back to how it used to be, screaming at overworked underpaid people "You're lucky to have a job!"

                    They fucking hate us.

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                    Where I am, the median salary is around $400-$600. I know how you feel.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      I see people mentioning obtainium, but never tried it. Will it give some relevant benefits over fdroid for low end devices?

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                      No benefits regarding performance. But you get faster updates and more apps than on f-droid.

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                      • N [email protected]

                        I'm open to hear if you guys disagree with me, but that is not simply about not having a smartphone as much as it is about not having cell service, not using data service. If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service, and people actually can live happy lives disconnected from internet when they are outside or in public.

                        Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can't wait a few hours or the next day.

                        I use phone only for direct communication, zero multimedia, zero social media on phone. Everything else is done on computer. Especially banking, that is on computer website only for security, never on phone. I despise and resent using a phone for websites

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                        #275

                        It is more about being able to constantly spy on everyone. Funny how this exact sentence would have labeled one as a conspiracy nut not too long ago.

                        Constantly online means constant (more or less) analytics, means constant data to throw in the big computer to make you buy more shit or vote for the shit party.

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                        • K [email protected]

                          THIS IS ACTUALLY SO REAL FUCKING SMARTPHONES I HATE STEVE JOBS FUCK YOU WHY DID YOU RUIN TECHNOLOGY.

                          ok rant over, but seriously though, it's so fucked how you basically just need a smartphone to do ANYTHING these days. I don't want a phone, i have no use for one.

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                          In Flanders, 🇧🇪, teachers have a card that gives them certain benefits. Free acces to musea, exhibitions,... This year they made it app only. You need to buy a smartphone to get your benefits...

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                          • K [email protected]

                            THIS IS ACTUALLY SO REAL FUCKING SMARTPHONES I HATE STEVE JOBS FUCK YOU WHY DID YOU RUIN TECHNOLOGY.

                            ok rant over, but seriously though, it's so fucked how you basically just need a smartphone to do ANYTHING these days. I don't want a phone, i have no use for one.

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                            Not sure if we can really blame Steve Jobs for this though, he wasn't around when things turned to shit. The iPhone he introduced was merely a phone, web browser, email and music player.

                            I think it's fair if we blame Tim Apple for this and the other big tech CEO's of the recent past.

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                            • L [email protected]

                              That...

                              Is that not illegal where you live?

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                              It’s not even required that apartment buildings have laundry services at all. There are commercial storefront laundromats in the US which serve as the ground floor for where people do their laundry. Until landlords are required to provide laundry, it will be hard to legislate what payment forms they must accept.

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                              • bruhduh@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                                https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/astro-slide

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                                Do NOT give these fucking cunts any fucking money. I was a backer for this phone on indiegogo.

                                They are liars when they eventually did communicate any updates during the project. They produced around 2000 units, most of which were sent to people who backed the project years after the first backers on indiegogo because they backed on a different platform.

                                Ultimately they just shut down the kickstarter giving no actual details. They stole thousands of peoples money through that. They made a product with the money people contributed to back the project and then just shuttered the project so they wouldn't need to deliver a device to these backers.

                                I didn't realise they were now trying to sell them again but the units that did get shipped were massively out of date and barely worked as it is.

                                If you want a keyboard on a phone Unihertz are about your only option right now.

                                Fuck planet computers, thieving fucking cunts

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                                • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                  I'm young and I fucking hate apps. I have android phone without a google account which works well for the most part. I'm too dumb to install LineageOS. and Linux phones aren't really an option in the US.

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                                  Why are they no option in the US?

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                                    Why are they no option in the US?

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                                    Carrier support is pretty much non-existant from what I have seen.

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                                    • engineergaming@feddit.nlE [email protected]

                                      No I have not, heard it is offensive and unfunny.

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                                      Well, I was merely asking because I know about shared laundry rooms being a thing in US because of that show.

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                                      • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                        everyone wants to force you to use apps instead of websites, because websites and browsers have inbuilt protections.

                                        Apps don't.

                                        Idiots install apps, give them the 400,000 permissions they ask for, then go on their merry way..ignorant to the fact that they just installed a data vacuum on their phone thats siphoning everything off of it to be used and sold and resold for marketing purposes.. Even the phone itself its not safe, cause its sitting there, listening to your conversations, even when not on a call, to more "Accurately" spam you with bullshit.

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                                        Yep, 100%. That digital coupon is you getting paid $0.33 for the data they collected from you.

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                                        • daggermoon@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                          Carrier support is pretty much non-existant from what I have seen.

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                                          https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_Carrier_Support#North_America

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