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‘The tyranny of apps’: those without smartphones are unfairly penalised, say campaigners

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  • T [email protected]

    The OC said in a different comment that you must be on the college network to set it up.

    You don't need to tag me, by the way; I get a notification if someone responds to me directly.

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    sorry, I'm viewing this from mastodon so the setup's different.

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    • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

      sorry, I'm viewing this from mastodon so the setup's different.

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      All good. Hope you have a great day!

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      • flisty@mstdn.socialF [email protected]

        @toynbee @DeaDvey aren't there authenticators that run on desktop browsers? Or does it have to be a specific one

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        Yes, it's a specific one. App only.

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          Dang it!

          I fell for it.

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            I'm open to hear if you guys disagree with me, but that is not simply about not having a smartphone as much as it is about not having cell service, not using data service. If a person uses a libre VoIP app, there is no need for cell service, and people actually can live happy lives disconnected from internet when they are outside or in public.

            Society must revert their mentality and not expect constant immediate access to everything. Absolutely nothing happens on the internet for personal activity that can't wait a few hours or the next day.

            I use phone only for direct communication, zero multimedia, zero social media on phone. Everything else is done on computer. Especially banking, that is on computer website only for security, never on phone. I despise and resent using a phone for websites

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            • S [email protected]

              If you do the calculation, the discount you get in the end is often just 1%. I don't really care about that 1%. You can get more, but the time you have to invest to get a better deal makes less money than just work an extra hour.

              And some of those loyalty programs have expiring points, that happen to expire just before you get to the tier when things get interesting. And when you do save up to the food stuff you find out the app is a lot better at collecting loyalty points and doesn't work so great at exchanging them.

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              The main thing this article is talking about is supermarkets in the UK that lock all their sale offers behind the loyalty card. Until about a year or two ago, you could go in and buy things on sale or buy one get one free or whatever offer, and then use (or don't use) your loyalty card on top (to collect/spend points), but now you don't get any discounts if you don't have a loyalty card.

              The article/campaigners are spinning this up into something about smartphones, because that's how most people use these loyalty schemes now, but they still have the old style cards so that's a bit of a red herring. The real issue is the way they're tying their standard offers to the loyalty program, and making it more difficult for consumers not to get caught out paying full price.

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                They're not expensive at all.

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                Well, my old company sure made a ridiculous profit selling them. You may be looking at the cost per fob hardware, but not including the management cost. They are much more expensive than an authentication app, plus authentication apps are mostly managed by someone else, and you don’t have distribution overhead

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                • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                  everyone wants to force you to use apps instead of websites, because websites and browsers have inbuilt protections.

                  Apps don't.

                  Idiots install apps, give them the 400,000 permissions they ask for, then go on their merry way..ignorant to the fact that they just installed a data vacuum on their phone thats siphoning everything off of it to be used and sold and resold for marketing purposes.. Even the phone itself its not safe, cause its sitting there, listening to your conversations, even when not on a call, to more "Accurately" spam you with bullshit.

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                  This is why I install such shit only if i have to, and only on vm

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                    Well, my old company sure made a ridiculous profit selling them. You may be looking at the cost per fob hardware, but not including the management cost. They are much more expensive than an authentication app, plus authentication apps are mostly managed by someone else, and you don’t have distribution overhead

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                    In my experience, the only thing that really made them more difficult than managing end users who were using an authentication app instead was having to facilitate getting the fob to the users and replacing them occasionally and they were dirt cheap... Like less than $5 apiece.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      My Kia Sportage PHEV came with a "Kia Connect" app. There is a monthly charge but I get first 3 years for free. It's got some sort of useful things but I don't really use it much anymore. More likely than not I won't bother to pay for it when the free years are up.

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                      Understandable. In Germany it isn’t customary to have an AC, but I got one. It’s from Mitsubishi and has some cloud remote control app thing. I mean, ok, controlling the temperature from not home is maybe useful, but I haven’t and will never use it. I just set the Temperature and go on Auto mode…

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                      • A [email protected]

                        Phones are not listening and if you have proof post it. No security researcher has ever posted this.

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                        yeah yeah, people said the same thing about google home and amazon alexa for years.. until data leaks proved that was a lie, too.

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                          Dang it!

                          I fell for it.

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                          Dear reader,

                          The link is, indeed, a redirect to Never Gonna Give You Up

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                            That's exactly it. Easy to block ads and trackers on a website, but more difficult or impossible on some apps.

                            One of the banking apps won't show the total balance of the account unless I'm using the app. How ridiculous.

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                            They know that a lot of people would rather have it work a little better by getting an app, if they keep reminding people it's an option.

                            Even if "better" is just lack of nags.

                            It's sad. We need a digital privacy law so that an app can't be more invasive than the website.

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                            • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                              yes, that still doesnt give the store your home address, phone number, etc etc like signing up for a rewards card does.

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                              Does the supermarket sell the data, or use it for their own purposes

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                              • engineergaming@feddit.nlE [email protected]

                                I use a loyalty card pretty often. It's just that it is almost always another customer's card) And in case this is not available - a barcode of some rando's loyalty card I found online, the valid ones are often easy to find.

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                                (Local Area Code)-867-5309

                                Works every time.

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                                • T [email protected]

                                  Oof you're comparing government suppression of entire classes of people to linux' failure to attract developers to the platform...... How do you not realize you're in a cult???

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                                  Plenty of developers use Linux every day -- the problem is it's not a viable choice for users because of anti - competitive practices by Google and Apple and probably others

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                                  • ladfrombrad@lemdro.idL [email protected]

                                    I literally had to switch bank accounts because I couldn't reset my password "on the web" and required me to use Virgin Money's app.

                                    Customer service agent(s) on the phone after prolonged discussions why their app wouldn't work on three Android phones right in front of me surfaced, and I shit you not

                                    Well sir, I have my iPhone here and can login just fine maybe you should buy one of those instead

                                    That day I found out about this

                                    https://www.currentaccountswitch.co.uk/

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                                      I use a dumbphone. I'm not buying a smartphone just so I can play these stupid games, and I'm installing an app for every fucking business I interact with. I realize there will one day be a point where I won't be able to do things I need to do without one, but until then I have no desire for one. Fortunately they haven't made the parking meters here require a smartphone yet.

                                      My grocery store still uses loyalty cards for most discounts (which is irritating enough), but also has "digital coupons" that require an app so I can't get that. Theoretically I could go to their website and print them off but that's not worth the effort. I have to pay close attention to the price signs they put up because some of them say "with digital coupon" in small print, meaning "not for you, bitch". You know who doesn't pull this kind of shit? Walmart. So I wind up getting a lot of my groceries there so as not to be discriminated against.

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                                        I've been to some that try to upsell you during the checkout process. Big pop up comes up "Add x to your order for $y.99!" Shut the fuck up!

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                                        One of these seems to be one of the best ways to order pizza from Papa John's.

                                        They usually have a special for a Large Pizza for pickup, and at the checkout, you can ignore the add-ons and choose "make it extra large" and it's the best deal I've seen for papa johns XL pizza.

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                                          If you don't have a smart phone in the US, even temporally, your almost a second class citizen.

                                          Then if you don't install corporate apps on your phone, there are even more problems for you.

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                                          I remember this being true almost as soon as smart phones and QR codes were invented. There were so many things you just couldn't do as easily if you didn't have one. Even in 2006.

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