'We've lost a partner and a friend': Ukrainians somber as U.S. partnership disintegrates
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It wasn’t a real deal anyway. Like Dr Evil asking for one hundred billion dollars.
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I suspect Trump hopes Putin will give him 20% anyway
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And I think you're seeing this ending up a whole lot differently than I am. I think Trump and Putin carved up Ukraine in their phone call. That Russia isn't going to allow any troops but Americans into Ukraine to secure the "negotiated peace", that they will threaten to fire on any NATO country that sets foot in Ukraine except for the Americans. Russia will keep what they invaded and took plus some, the US will get to rape Ukraine of it's rare earth minerals in the rest using Ukranian ports to export them to the US under the guise of reparations for aid given in the last 3 years. That's how I see it playing out. Europe is going to have to decide how important Ukraine is to it, and given European history, they talk a big game, but when it comes down to it, they'er going to decided to protect their own borders, rather than forcing their way into the meat grinder between the US and Russia.
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Yeah. The "plan" was for Ukraine to refuse the horrifically bad deal. But, instead, Zelenskyy et al understood they are in a fight for survival and would rather be free beggars than slaves and breeding stock to putin.
Unfortunately, trump was going for the latter so he had to make up new excuses to eventually join russia's side in the war.
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The US is putin’s now.
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Not a bad take.
The problem here is that the US doesn't need Ukraine for any of those things. They have their own deposits. The problem is that the US or Ukraine and everyone else does not have any significant capacity to process these minerals -- China does. You're not building a rare-earths refinery in Ukraine during a war or occupation -- too easy of a target. So unless the US builds such a beast at home, it's entirely irrelevant what Ukraine has or otherwise.
Furthermore, as a nervous Canadian, I worry about the same stupid rhetoric being used on us. We don't produce rare earths, because we don't process rare earths. But damn do we have a lot of potential deposits. Trump only sees the value of the potential deposit and not the actual produced products. It's boneheaded but they don't care.
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We went east two times before. So you can't say we never tried.
Three times a charm.
The most interesting problem now is, the biggest dependable Nato partner which is left is Turkey. Lets see how that pans out.
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Dr Evil asked for 1 Million dollars (pinkie to side of mouth), that was the joke
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And then the second time he asked for an absurdly high number
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Then he asked for one hundred billion dollars after being informed 1 millions wasn’t that much. He came up with an unreasonable amount of money that he knew would never be accepted.
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The joke is, there is no rare earth deposits that can be immediately used or it will make sense to exploit. Minerals were just a pretext to gove muskovites everythong they want, problem is it probably won't work, due to trump and his stellar teams being even dumber then everyone expected them to be.
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Here's hoping Europe continues to step up on behalf of Ukraine.
Fuck I am naively hoping elections in Germany and Canada go well...
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Nah, we just have the same enemies..
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Ukraine is not taking that deal? The only thing Zelensky said that Ukraine is not going to abide by a treaty for which’s negotiations its not invited, didn’t he?
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Im honestly scared. I’ve been hopeful towards every election, but that hope is gone.
The left has been surging in polls but I’m fearing a cdu+afd government. -
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When I went to Greece, I was surprised to see footage of the war on TV. In the US we'd never see anything like this. We are really isolated from the reality of what is going on in the world and the consequences of our actions. This makes it easier for our government to create policy that is wrong and immoral.
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'We've lost a partner and a friend"
Canada has similar feelings.
But we still support our Ukranian friends, despite the crisis our downstairs neighbor is experiencing.
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I agree with everything you wrote, but I don't think they carved up only Ukraine in that phone call. At least all of Europe, possibly the entire world.
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The problem here is that the US doesn't need Ukraine for any of those things. They have their own deposits.
Trump doesn't actually care. That's just a cover for his real goal, which, just like his idol Putin, is a purely megalomaniacal/narcissistic desire to be remembered in history as "[Trump|Putin] the Great" for expanding the size of their respective empires.
Trump couldn't care less which of Ukraine, or Gaza, or Greenland, or the Panama Canal Zone, or Canada that he gets a piece of, as long as he gets something. And if he fails at all of those, expect him to make up even more bullshit excuses to send the US on even more imperialist adventures.
