Anon breaks up
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I have no weapon but nonviolence.
- Mahatma Gandhi
See, I can quote things too
You say people should just give up their weapons. I used to be strictly against private weapon ownership too. Over the years, especially the last few years i see more and more of a necessity for people to be able to fight back against an overreaching government, as we have seen more and more authoritarian developments all across the "Western" nations.
This is what Marx referred to.
There is a political case for private weapon ownership. The obvious counter-argument is that people like MAGA also have weapons then and can use them. As we have seen with previous and current dictatorships, when push comes to shove the regime will quickly supply its paramilitary wings with guns, so i don't see the benefit of preventing normal people from owning weapons in such a situation.
None of this is a judgement on the green-text, as we lack the whole picture, on whether taking the weapons from anon was justified or not. However the default assertion that people should just give up their weapons is not as obvious as you make it out to be.
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So you think your 9mm is going to defend you from a government tank when it actually comes down to violence? You're fucked, gun or no gun.
The concept of an armed populace facing the government doesn’t usually involve a direct head on opposition. Armed resistance to a corrupt government would take a more guerrilla warfare approach. A real world example could be the anti-junta rebellion happening in Myanmar.
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I have no weapon but nonviolence.
- Mahatma Gandhi
See, I can quote things too
Gandhi was a piece of shit. I wouldn't quote him for the most part.
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Wtf? Cops just come and take your shit away because some girl said so?
No. Thats 4chan, a place of lies and deception.
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Make me.
Oh wait. You can't
Gets tomahawked
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No. Thats 4chan, a place of lies and deception.
When I was living with my parents my dad pushed my brother and told him to "get the fuck out". My brother called the cops on him and the cops came and took my dad away that day. He got let out but IIRC a couple days later he had to surrender his firearms later until everything was settled.
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So you think your 9mm is going to defend you from a government tank when it actually comes down to violence? You're fucked, gun or no gun.
I'm not worried about the tank, I'm worried about Tim, the guy from two doors down who has seventeen firearms and an F350 and walks around yelling homophobic slurs.
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You say people should just give up their weapons. I used to be strictly against private weapon ownership too. Over the years, especially the last few years i see more and more of a necessity for people to be able to fight back against an overreaching government, as we have seen more and more authoritarian developments all across the "Western" nations.
This is what Marx referred to.
There is a political case for private weapon ownership. The obvious counter-argument is that people like MAGA also have weapons then and can use them. As we have seen with previous and current dictatorships, when push comes to shove the regime will quickly supply its paramilitary wings with guns, so i don't see the benefit of preventing normal people from owning weapons in such a situation.
None of this is a judgement on the green-text, as we lack the whole picture, on whether taking the weapons from anon was justified or not. However the default assertion that people should just give up their weapons is not as obvious as you make it out to be.
Gun ownership isn't the problem. Gun culture is the problem.
I've been the victim of more than one violent crime but it's only been recently that I'm considering acquiring a firearm. For the exact reasons you're describing.
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I'd like to hear her version
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This is so American. Just give up the damn guns!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because we should totally trust the US government with our protection....
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No. Thats 4chan, a place of lies and deception.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
Despite being blatantly unconstitutional (deprives a citizen of rights based on an accusation without trial) red flag laws exist in 21 states.
In this particular thread, 4chan is a better source of information than Lemmy.
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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
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Give up hate. Give up facism. Give up excessive consumerism
All sounds fine to me!
Gun ownership =/= fascism
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So you think your 9mm is going to defend you from a government tank when it actually comes down to violence? You're fucked, gun or no gun.
You're forgetting that the US lost 3 wars to guerilla tactics, 2 of those in the last decade
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I'm not worried about the tank, I'm worried about Tim, the guy from two doors down who has seventeen firearms and an F350 and walks around yelling homophobic slurs.
Tim shouldn't be allowed guns either.
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You're forgetting that the US lost 3 wars to guerilla tactics, 2 of those in the last decade
The US lost because of domestic pressure to end those wars. Militarily the US was never in danger of defeat. Do you think that the current US administration is going to give a singular shit about domestic pressure once the shooting starts? If the military sides with the government, the government wins. If the military sides against the government the government loses.
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The comments here are a good example of how the gun control movement is the left-wing counterpart to the pro-life movement. It's origin lies in emotion, not reason. It's filled with fallacious arguements and when that fails to convince someone, the movement tends to move towards snarky comments and outright hostility.
Evem those that are trying to be reasonable by drawing conclusions based on data almost always are using cherry-picked statistics that was fed by those trying to manipulate them.
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I wonder if anon left something out? Like, threating to kill her or the person(s) she cheated with. Or some of the weapons being illegal? Nah, it would have been included if they weren't. Some people have high drama lives.
FYI, women are just as capable of being terrible people as men are
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I'd like to hear her version
Right? I'm sure the BF is a very well adjusted person that just happens to post on 4chan
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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
Lot of US leftists and liberals hate guns, as a reaction to the right’s obsession with them.
It is a stupid and dangerous reaction, because they give up their means of self-defense against far right militias and a fascist government.
