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'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled?

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  • isyasad@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

    What dialect of English will we base the new spelling system on?

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    Transatlantic English

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      Pitted olives got me in a similar fashion.

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        This is the grammar thing I fuck up the most, and I don't call people on it because I'm pretty sure I don't know how it works. Autocorrect changes it & I just say "oh, whoops", and it still looks wrong...

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        My keyboard is very keen on completing "it's" regardless of context. I imagine this is the case for most people, since usually I see "it's" when "its" would be correct.

        I also think it's difficult to know that "it's" is wrong to use because it feels like it follows the common apostrophe for possession rule:
        "Australia's capital is Canberra" -> "Australia is the largest country in Oceania. It's capital is Canberra." (wrong, but intuitive)

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          A French. The language where you have 5 wovels, use 3 for the word goose and the other 2 to pronounce it.

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          What? The e is just silent.

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          • I [email protected]

            What about similar oddities in English?
            (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
            Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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            They should be left exactly the same as an example of context.

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              Also sanction and sanction, same word but completely opposite meanings.

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                Native speakers acquire the language before learning to read. Remember, writing is a representation of spoken language not the other way round.

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                That is still not a valid reason.

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                • B [email protected]

                  Native speakers acquire the language before learning to read. Remember, writing is a representation of spoken language not the other way round.

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                  No it is. People were speaking for tens of thousands of years before they started writing. Modern people see the written word as more valid than spoken, but it's a historical quirk that words pronounced identically should be spelled differently in English. Words that are spelled differently in English were once pronounced differently as well, but languages change and our spelling system is frozen in the 1600s.

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                    What about parmesan?

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                    Well I say that like it's spelled. I don't make the zh sound at the end of that's what you're referencing. I know some do though.

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                    • I [email protected]

                      What about similar oddities in English?
                      (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                      Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                      Read.
                      Have read.

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                        What about similar oddities in English?
                        (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                        Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                        On a different note there is Reading, a football club in UK, which is pronounced "Redding". This pronunciation is akin to the Reading Railroad from Monopoly (which I mispronounced all my life until today).

                        Little details, picked up along the way.

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                          What about similar oddities in English?
                          (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                          Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                          Read and Reddit

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                            Lead and lead as well. I got a lead on those lead undergarments you wanted. I'll lead you there later.

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                            How did I get to the lead merchant? I was led here. But in the price negotiation, I took the lead.

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                              What? The e is just silent.

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                              The French word for goose is Oie, pronounced "ua"

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                                Where, were, we're. Even native speakers have problems with this. I don't know how many times I had to correct such cases, especially with American authors.

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                                There, their and they are...

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                                  What about similar oddities in English?
                                  (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                                  Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                                  How about we go with reed and red... see, you already know how to pronounce them!

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                                    No it is. People were speaking for tens of thousands of years before they started writing. Modern people see the written word as more valid than spoken, but it's a historical quirk that words pronounced identically should be spelled differently in English. Words that are spelled differently in English were once pronounced differently as well, but languages change and our spelling system is frozen in the 1600s.

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                                    Modern people are the written word as more valid than spoken

                                    Now there's a sentence I can't make sense of.

                                    There is no influence of history in when kids learn to write their language or if they used it orally, they learn to write it then how it's supposed to be written.
                                    If your reasons were valid every Anglo would have problems, they don't.
                                    Since it's noticably the US specifically I can only assume it's sub standard education.
                                    As confirmed by their poor vocabulary compared to other Anglo's

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                                    • anunusualrelic@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                      It's true that I see it more rarely with the British. I suppose they read more or something.

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                                      Possibly, education is my main guess

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                                      • I [email protected]

                                        What about similar oddities in English?
                                        (This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
                                        Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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                                        We should be consistent and say "readed". While we're on the subject, why isn't the past tense of go "goed"?

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                                          And the alarm goes off means it actually starts ringing. Weird language indeed!

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