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Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?

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      I see a lot of people starting gardens or looking to getting chickens to be as self sufficient as they can.
      Many are holding off on large purchases to save in case "something happens". People around me who were never interested in firearms and in fact were generally opposed to them are starting to arm themselves at a rapid pace.

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        I see a lot of people starting gardens or looking to getting chickens to be as self sufficient as they can.
        Many are holding off on large purchases to save in case "something happens". People around me who were never interested in firearms and in fact were generally opposed to them are starting to arm themselves at a rapid pace.

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        Good luck with the gardens. I've never really been a fan of US gun laws, but now it all seems strangely sensible.

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          American Exceptionalism, Baby!

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            It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.

            For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he's more than willing to ignore.

            Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don't seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they're outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.

            I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.

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              Good luck with the gardens. I've never really been a fan of US gun laws, but now it all seems strangely sensible.

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              This is the literal, specific scenario 2A was intended to counter. We'll have to see over the next few years if it works as intended.

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                Yes to both halves of the question.

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                  This is the literal, specific scenario 2A was intended to counter. We'll have to see over the next few years if it works as intended.

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                  I'm not sure thats right. I think the 2A was written in order to enable the US to be able to organize militias to defend itself against foreign invasion as, at the time, the idea of the colonies supporting a standing army was impossible.

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                    As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full "patriotic" support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.

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                      I think in NY we are aware and the state is trying brace for the worse, and I see/hear people starting gardens, getting chickens, and basically have "bug out bags" incase things go sideways.

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                        It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.

                        For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he's more than willing to ignore.

                        Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don't seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they're outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.

                        I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.

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                        I have 5 or 6 friends from all over the USA, all against the Trump administration…first and second. I would say that they weren’t exactly Bernie fans either.

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                          It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.

                          For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he's more than willing to ignore.

                          Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don't seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they're outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.

                          I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.

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                          The only reason I know this is because I’m only interested in one particular firearm and I want to move to WA, but how are you planning to defend yourself with HB1240 in place?

                          I get that in peace time, 10 bullets per mag and no assault weapons is a generally good policy. But what happens MAGA decides to try to take WA by force?

                          In the part I haven’t looked up, does WA have a state militia that is not the national guard?

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                            Most Americans don't think about other countries enough to really grasp what you mean by rogue state

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                              The people cheering it on think it's patriotism. Then there still seems to be maybe a third of us who think this was just another election we had in 2024.

                              The rest of us know, and are appropriately freaked the fuck out.

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                                As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full "patriotic" support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.

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                                In a burning house with three people, one is fighting the fire, one is pouring gasoline on everything and one is on the couch watching TV.

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                                  I'm not sure thats right. I think the 2A was written in order to enable the US to be able to organize militias to defend itself against foreign invasion as, at the time, the idea of the colonies supporting a standing army was impossible.

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                                  It's both.

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                                    I went abroad where a lot of Americans were. I ended up fucking one and his wife. That wasn’t important to the rest of the story but I really feel proud of myself for that and can’t brag anywhere else.

                                    Anyways, from the Americans I met, the overall majority of them were not very aware of what goes on in the news. The common sentiment was that they tuned out from all the news after November and still have to show up to their jobs so to them, nothing is really changing. Was eye opening.

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                                      Midwesterner here. Surveys show Trump's approval rating between 40% and 50%, and here on the ground, I believe it. A lot of people are seriously misled. Fox News, OAN, and Newsmax are considered legitimate news sources, so a lot of people truly believe that Trump is improving things.

                                      It will take decades to deprogram all the people who fell for the alt-right's tricks.

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                                        Kinda on topic, but imma give you some perspective into what it's like to be a liberal leaning person in a deeply red county. Half my friends are independent or republican, all my coworkers and my boss are republicans, and even my dad is straight up MAGA. I've always voted third party because I hated that Democrats never get anything done, but I did vote heavily democrat this past election because I knew how fucked everything would be.

                                        I would say 99% of people do not care or don't think it's a big deal. The ravenous Trump supporters you see on the internet and in videos are more of a minority than the norm. There are definitely some hardcore MAGA here but most everyone is just regular everyday people that are just carrying on like nothing is different. Most of them don't spend much time on the internet and they hardly watch the news. I was talking about the tariff situation to a cashier at a gas station just this morning and it was the first time they were hearing it. And with the news not even covering half the shit that's going on they probably never will. My roommate works downtown and he didn't even know about the protests at the Capitol until I mentioned it to him 3 days later.

                                        I guess my point is that the average person isn't even informed. Not everyone spends a lot of time on the internet so they don't even see what's going on. They decide to vote specifically because the candidate says "Republican" and that's the furthest thought that goes into it. Everyone talks about "this is what they voted for" as if any more thought went into their vote for Romney or McCain than their vote for Trump. And I don't blame them for it because as far as they know, this was just like any other election. They've been bamboozled by local news to think everything is still exactly the same as they slowly pushed the Trump agenda onto them. The hardcore MAGA are definitely fascists in every sense of the word, but these regular everyday people are not fascists. They were just voting for the party they always voted for and were just expecting the same kinda shit from Trump's first term, and the local news didn't tell them anything different.

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                                          I think in NY we are aware and the state is trying brace for the worse, and I see/hear people starting gardens, getting chickens, and basically have "bug out bags" incase things go sideways.

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                                          Very understandable, especially since the president still owes your state half a billion dollars for massive financial fraud - for which he didn't even go to prison. What actually happened to there?

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