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Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?

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    it fucking poison. i moved to the us from abroad as a kid and spent my adolescence there. moving back to my home country, i quickly realized that i needed to give myself a serious attitude adjustment.

    i don't think many people from outside the us realize just how pervasive fox news is in america. it's playing on every television in every bar and every airport and just about everywhere else that has a television. it's non-stop negativity, non-stop arrogance, non-stop disinformation, non-stop convincing people that patriotism is fervent fealty. it's gotten a bit stale lately to talk about fox, but holy crap their role can't be overstated in the way things have become.

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    It's just like Russia, only that the official main public TV channel is Fox News, and all the others are too.

    Guess which US channel is the only one Russian TV ever cites in their propaganda against the democratic West ?

    Exactly. Fox News.

    Luckily I was only born in that shithole, my family emigrated 30 years ago, when I was a kid. Still, half of them are brainwashed and watch that crap all day. Kremlin TV. It's all the same bullshit. Hate, cynicism, making fun of liberal values, playing the victim.

    Truth is, USA and Russia are two hateful siblings who usually fought but actually are pretty much the same. Cold war was never truly about systems, it was about who is the top dog. Now they realized they can just work together and divide the cake.

    I always hated Europe being so under US influence, but it seemed like the lesser evil because Europe also profited from it, cannot deny that.

    But now there's Russia on the right, and Russia on the left. And China can just relax and wait until the dust settles and collect the pieces.

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      the smart ones are. the cultists are wrapping themselves in nationalism patriotism. the rest are just terminally unaware and don't vote.

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      • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH [email protected]

        More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they're getting the carpet wet

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        If more of you would have voted for Jill Stein, we wouldn't be in this mess!

        /s in case that wasn't obvious

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          I think there’s another 1/3 - maybe at intersection of them all.

          A great many people in shock, and don’t realise this is just America mask-off.

          It’s standard American foreign policy and has been for 60 years. The wars they have started, the regime change, it’s all standard. Ask anyone in South America or the Middle East.

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            I looked into it. If I buy one before I move, as soon as I bring the rifle into WA, it counts as importing.

            What’s the SRA like? I’m not a socialist and am hesitant to be affiliated due to the path the NRA charter

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            Ah, I didn't realize that counted as importing, turns out only people who already own one in Washington can bring one in if they previously left the state with it. Guess the answer is either dont do it or don't get caught. The best answer is to ask a lawyer though. The NRA might have someone you can talk to for free if you're willing to put up with dealing with them for a little while. Just use a disposable email / phone so they don't bother you after.

            The SRA varies a lot by chapter, it's not really a national org in any meaningful way, but both the chapters I've done stuff with were pretty welcoming to social democrats. What would you describe yourself as? I might be able to give a better answer.

            My local chapter is a mix of communists, anarchists, and soc dems. We also do open-invite firearm trainings, and have had some liberals show up recently, but none of them have really stuck around.

            If you're concerned about maga getting violent you'll find like-minded people in the SRA, at least on that. If you're open to being in an explicitly leftist space, I'd probably check them out, in case shit does hit the fan, you want to know people you can ally with.

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            • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH [email protected]

              More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they're getting the carpet wet

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              "If you had just picked a better water bucket, we wouldn't be in this mess. It's your fault if the house burns down."

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                Lie and deny

                Just buy what you want and shut up about it. Don’t tell or show anyone. If bullets start flying no one will care anymore

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                Seems like a pretty shitty way to live life

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                  Oh, we fucking know.

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                    A empire will exist for sure but it won't be the US anymore

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                    It will be called that. But that's kind of already happened.

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                      Seems like a pretty shitty way to live life

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                      You can decide how you want to live or what you’re willing to die for

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                      • ininewcrow@lemmy.caI [email protected]

                        They are really earnestly and as hard as they can trying to put the raging fire out with a cheap children's water pistol that isn't working very well.

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                        100% this. Every other memper of my family voted for this. I do my best, but they're so blinded by the media and their own bias that it's almost impossible to convince them on even 1 topic.

                        Its incredibly sad and frustrating actually

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                          100% this. Every other memper of my family voted for this. I do my best, but they're so blinded by the media and their own bias that it's almost impossible to convince them on even 1 topic.

                          Its incredibly sad and frustrating actually

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                          The fact that you are there and aware of what is happening to your country is hope for change. I always sound doom and gloom in my posts but I'm also hopeful for the change. I'm Indigenous Canadian and my entire life has always felt like failure in everything me and my family has been exposed to for generations. The greatest thing I learned from all of it is to never give up ... even in the face of overwhelming odds.

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                            If more of you would have voted for Jill Stein, we wouldn't be in this mess!

                            /s in case that wasn't obvious

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                            It's you. They're talking about you.

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                              People know at various levels. You are seeing maga types even recognizing this stuff aint so great for them and repbulicans who go with it to be winning to realize it might not have been a smart move. Then like most of the democratic congress feel they need to make moves with the next election. Then there are the ones with their eyes open who realize he is now clearing house and putting in as many as possible who will heil on command at as high a levels as possible and make sure all the rest are cowed by removing any security their position might have had. We see he is already floating ideas to make new election restrictions and extend his term and has no problem breaking laws and constitutions and court orders and such.

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                                More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they're getting the carpet wet

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                                I really don't like how y'all just described everybody

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                                  Trump supporters are full on gung ho! My parents fully are into ripping this nation apart. They are morbidly obese people that rely on medications to live. Who would die from these issues if medication gets cut off.

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                                    The West Coast is well aware. I really can't see anyone in the US not being aware of our country's wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I'm kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them... with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.

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                                      Ah, I didn't realize that counted as importing, turns out only people who already own one in Washington can bring one in if they previously left the state with it. Guess the answer is either dont do it or don't get caught. The best answer is to ask a lawyer though. The NRA might have someone you can talk to for free if you're willing to put up with dealing with them for a little while. Just use a disposable email / phone so they don't bother you after.

                                      The SRA varies a lot by chapter, it's not really a national org in any meaningful way, but both the chapters I've done stuff with were pretty welcoming to social democrats. What would you describe yourself as? I might be able to give a better answer.

                                      My local chapter is a mix of communists, anarchists, and soc dems. We also do open-invite firearm trainings, and have had some liberals show up recently, but none of them have really stuck around.

                                      If you're concerned about maga getting violent you'll find like-minded people in the SRA, at least on that. If you're open to being in an explicitly leftist space, I'd probably check them out, in case shit does hit the fan, you want to know people you can ally with.

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                                      Elizabeth Warren-aligned.

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                                        The West Coast is well aware. I really can't see anyone in the US not being aware of our country's wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I'm kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them... with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.

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                                        Yea plenty of people in the south are aware too, things aren't "hidden" this isn't north korea or turkmenistan.. yet. As someone else said we've known this is what they want to do for a few years now.

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                                          Roughly half of the population has absolutely no clue what's going on. Kids, old people, non-news-readers/viewers, etc.

                                          A third of the population is vaguely aware that some shit is going down based on vibes but can't identify the problem.

                                          Half the remaining sixth can identify the problem as political but misattribute the cause. Leaving just a 12th of the population actually aware of our situation.

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