Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

[partial_accumen@lemmy.world]

Yepp, it’s odd to celebrate the milestone to emobility if one knows it’s paid all by carving carbon out of the earth.

A nation converting nearly 100% to EV means less carbon needing to be carved out of the Earth. How is that not something to celebrate for those that like less carbon being carved out of the Earth?

[drunkenpirate@feddit.org]

Because this very nation makes tons of money by selling oil and gaz (carbon emissions)

Same joke if Saudi Arabia would go 100% emobility and keeps selling oil (carbon emissions)

[partial_accumen@lemmy.world]

I've read through your all of your arguments on this thread and it looks like you're reading lots of papers, looking at a particular finding under specific circumstances, then using that as a blanket answer as to why EVs aren't viable. The problem is that these are mostly devoid of real world usage of EVs where viability is ultimately determined. Here's one example:

Also it’s not a 20% loss at 0°C. It’s closer to 50%. Which would be most accurately described as a “significant” loss of efficiency.

If an EV driver is only using a fraction of their range to accomplish 100% of their driving needs, then the temporary reduction in battery capacity is completely irrelevant. I can't say I know any EV drivers that have a 80 mile commute and only buy an EV capable of driving 80 miles under perfect conditions. Would that person exist, you'd have a valid point, but I would guess that person would be a statistical anomaly and shouldn't be used to derive policy or guidance for the majority of people. Most EV drivers are driving EVs with 200+ mile range and only using a small fraction of that for daily usage, so even with the most extreme temporary reductions its little to no impact on their driving ability.

In another post you called out that EV batteries use Cobalt which is typically derived from questionable human rights locations. Again, true on paper, but not all EVs use NMC or NCA chemistries which use Cobalt. Many EVs today use LFP and many in the years ahead will be Sodium based, neither of which use Cobalt at all in the batteries. So again, you found one particular finding and applied it to all EVs.

Any arguments you have about how dirty the extraction and transport methods used for EV materials fall apart immediately when the alternative is petroleum exploration, extraction, refinement, and distribution which need to occurr on an ongoing basis to keep fueling ICE vehicles.

I don't think anyone is claiming EVs are completely perfect from a user experience or environmental impact, however, compared to the alternative of ICE vehicles and the ongoing environmental and geopolitical impacts of the needed petroleum extraction needed to continue their use, EVs are a dream come true.

[partial_accumen@lemmy.world]

Are you saying you would prefer they sell tons oil and gas (carbon emissions), as well as have their nation producing even more carbon emissions from ICE vehicle tailpipes? That seems to contradict your desire to have fewer carbon emissions.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Also, solar panels are worse for the environment than burning coal and windmills make everyone nearby sick because they spin and disturb the atmosphere.

Literally things I've heard IRL from people who went looking for a personally affirming worldview.