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Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts

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    #247

    I love the idea but the price is too high for the chip given that this is designed to be a longevity phone. A chip like the 7s Gen 3 would make the phone sluggish after a couple of years with how unoptimised todays apps are.

    The Gorilla Glass 7i and IP55 water resistance are also concerning given that budget Samsung, Xiaomi, etc phones beat this.

    However having components of the phone being easily replacable is a great thing.

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      I just want them to be smaller.

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      It's 6.3" because of the lack of top/bottom bezels. The phone itself is not much bigger than a Galaxy S7.

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        I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.

        Yes, yes there's adapters .... yes, yes, you don't need to use it ... I understand. I just want it.

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        You'd ultimately be sacrificing battery size for that Aux jack you hardly use. For most that's not worth it

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        • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

          I have like a dozen pairs of headphones

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          The adapters are dirt cheap, buy doezen of them

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            Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

            People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

            However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

            But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

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            You can get good Bluetooth earbuds for under $50 and a USB-C to AUX dongle for under $15.

            The average person is fine with Bluetooth earbuds or an adapter, and audiophiles would not find the inbuilt DAC/amp on a phone to be adequate.

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              Okay, I'm going to ask... why don't you use wireless?

              Edit: some results are in, and the only reasonable answer is better audio quality, although that's probably no longer true. The rest are fairly weak reasons.

              Lol'd at the 10m extension cord though, thanks for that one.

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              1.Wired headphones deliver better audio quality
              2.Wired headphones are harder to lose
              3.Wired headphones don't need batteries, so:
              a)less e-waste
              b)no need to check if they are charged
              4.Wired headphones are more secure, connection cannot be intercepted and phishing attacks with BT are not possible
              5.While wired headphones are plugged, no one can take your phone without you noticing

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                The reason for not using a headphone jack is making it simpler for the manufacturer, one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.

                I'm not saying this is good for the consumer, but there are reasons for integrating the functionality into the USB-C port.

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                one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.

                The headphone jack is 3.5mm. iPhones are ~7.5mm thick, more than double. The smallest phone available on the market is 4.2mm.

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                  I would totally buy one of these if they were sold in the US. Sadly, last time I checked the newest phone wasn't sold here. So I doubt this one will be.

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                  You can get them in the U.S. with /e/OS through Murena, but they are $900 😞

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                    The adapters are dirt cheap, buy doezen of them

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                    No thank you.

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                      This is the vibe I’m getting from Lemmy lately just angry people shouting at clouds.

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                      If it makes you feel better, I do that off of Lemmy, too.

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                        You'd ultimately be sacrificing battery size for that Aux jack you hardly use. For most that's not worth it

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                        I mean ... you don't have to tell me that my opinion isn't popular, it's demonstrable. My opinion is statistically insignificant.

                        There's a plethora of other things I'd give up like have a slighter bigger phone or a worse camera or wireless charging... I'd also trade those for an SD card slot but no one agrees with me and it's just something I need to live with.

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                          Okay, I'm going to ask... why don't you use wireless?

                          Edit: some results are in, and the only reasonable answer is better audio quality, although that's probably no longer true. The rest are fairly weak reasons.

                          Lol'd at the 10m extension cord though, thanks for that one.

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                          • They are expensive. You can get wired earphones for 2 euros that actually work and are reasonably durable. It's not a great loss if they fall in a puddle or if I step on them.
                          • They are a lot more failure prone. Half of those I tried didn't work or only half worked, and those that did work didn't last very long.
                          • They have shitty range. I can use a 10 meters extension cord with wired earphones if I want to.
                          • They require charging. And it's a law of physics that everything that requires charging always run out at the most inconvenient time.
                          • Also THEY ALWAYS GET LOST. Wireless earphones, mouse, controllers... it doesn't matter, if it's not attached with a cable they'll just disappear.
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                            The battery? Mine last at least 8 hours and charge in two.

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                            Battery degradation. Wired earphones/headphones can be BIFL if treated properly. A typical wireless device will see battery degradation within a handful of years, and I have yet to see a decent TWS solution with replaceable batteries.

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                            • D [email protected]

                              Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

                              People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

                              However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

                              But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

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                              What statistics? People buying thin phones over thicker phones doesn't mean much when that's almost all that's being sold nowadays and every phone is trying to be as thin as possible. It seemed to me that 90% of what we're told people want is actually just what companies want to push on us because it's cheaper and more profitable.

                              All the people I know who are average users couldn't care less about how thin the phone is, two mm more or less doesn't make any difference. They care about screen size and being able to use it without too much hassle. If they get a phone without an audio jack half of them will just assume that they can't plug earphones at all. And they are not the ones who will complain. But then, Fairphone isn't marketed towards average users, so maybe their users have different priorities? Idk

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                                You can get good Bluetooth earbuds for under $50 and a USB-C to AUX dongle for under $15.

                                The average person is fine with Bluetooth earbuds or an adapter, and audiophiles would not find the inbuilt DAC/amp on a phone to be adequate.

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                                how do you charge the phone with a DAC plugged in?

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                                  Resorting to insults really?

                                  3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.

                                  It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.

                                  More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.

                                  I might be a idiot as you say, but the people at Fairphone don't seem to be because they ditched AUX as they should have

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                                  Having yet another thing to keep charged
                                  a usb port is far easier to break
                                  I hate earbuds, I want my same old over the ear $15 sony headphones that last for years

                                  BT is just another thing to fuss with for no apparent benefit, I have an assortment of BT crap that won't connect consistently.
                                  Whatever convenience BT might offer is negated by the time wasted learning the intricacies of the ever changing APPs [software]

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                                    When you drop your Fairphone, you can easily repair it.
                                    Still on my FP4, no need to change, really. Only updated the battery once.

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                                    Again, my point is the cadence supports people looking to upgrade, not people who are already on a fairphone. You are not the market

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                                      Yeah lol.

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                                      Paper exists, just saying

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                                        Doesn’t this thing just run android and Google App Store? What a waste of decent hardware.

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                                          There's a deGoogled version too!!

                                          I would prefer GrapheneOS (If I can live with the irony of getting a Pixel phone just to deGoogle it...). Sandboxing there is way better. But you lose the Repairability.. Gotta check and compare the new EU metrics too.

                                          They are just two different devices.

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                                          Is it really de-googled if it still runs Android?

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