German lawmakers can’t agree whether to seek ban on far-right AfD

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I thought most Germans disagreed with that, but apparently not enough.

[jlh@lemmy.jlh.name]

technocracy != Elon Musk as president

technocracy is when you have political scientists and engineers as politicians, not billionaires and lawyers.

[cruxifux@feddit.nl]

Well, what happened last time you guys let this happen? Maybe do the opposite of that.

[psychodelic@lemmy.world]

In political science, a reactionary or a reactionist is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante—the previous political state of society—which the person believes possessed positive characteristics that are absent from contemporary society. As a descriptor term, reactionary derives from the ideological context of the left–right political spectrum. As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore a status quo ante.

As an ideology, reactionism is a tradition in right-wing politics; the reactionary stance opposes policies for the social transformation of society, whereas conservatives seek to preserve the socio-economic structure and order that exists in the present. In popular usage, reactionary refers to a strong traditionalist conservative political perspective of a person opposed to social, political, and economic change.

Reactionary ideologies can be radical in the sense of political extremism in service to re-establishing past conditions. To some writers, the term reactionary carries negative connotations—Peter King observed that it is "an unsought-for label, used as a torment rather than a badge of honor."

[yesman@lemmy.world]

It's kinda weird that we have to betray the principals of democracy to preserve it.

I felt the same way about jailing Trump before the election. If that's the only way to keep the fascists out of power, maybe we should reconsider the idea of democracy. (or of Germany or America for that matter)

[ogmios@sh.itjust.works]

In common usage, I'd argue it just means a society which is run by technology rather than people, which everyone is trying to do these days.

[homesweethomemrl@lemmy.world]

It's not though. Democracy relies on a bunch of environmental factors we blew through about 100 years ago. If these parties were out meeting people one to one and making a rational case, that'd be one thing. If the press was doing their job of informing everyone properly, that'd be another thing.

But then, if they were doing that, they wouldn't be so fucking dangerous. They're simply riding on propaganda which we know works every time. And since capitalism also requires propaganda, we can't shut that part down without restructuring our entire economic system, which analysts suggest might take longer than three, or even four weeks.

[softestsapphic@lemmy.world]

"Should we ban the Nazi party?"

The world is an onion article

[softestsapphic@lemmy.world]

More than half of Germany has no issue working with Nazis

https://www.yahoo.com/news/survey-narrow-majority-germans-support-114418390.html

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I guess German schools did not try hard enough teaching kids history.

[jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world]

Short memory.

Ban them unflinchingly and completely.

[bne@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Companion music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2pgcagyRk

[yetanotheruser@discuss.tchncs.de]

Politico is owned by the German equivalent of Murdoch who are actively promoting the AfD across all their media by the way.

[foobarrington@lemmy.world]

That might be what people think the word means when they first hear it, but that doesn't mean we should use it that way.

[ogmios@sh.itjust.works]

Well if you actually want to communicate with others outside of academia, you're going to have to get used to the idea that language isn't the deliberate construct of a purely logical machine. I know it makes things more difficult than some would like to imagine it should be, but that's the price demanded of those who actually want to live in the real world.

[foobarrington@lemmy.world]

So we should just do away with definitions, and go with whatever people think a word means the first time they hear it? Why?

[ogmios@sh.itjust.works]

The point is that you have to make a good faith effort for communication to be possible, which you are not doing here.

[tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip]

Jailing the orange diaper would've had nothing to do with betraying democracy. He committed crimes that he should've been punished for under democratically created laws. The laws simply weren't enforced.

[foobarrington@lemmy.world]

When the "good faith effort" requires changing definitions, it's not a good faith effort from the other side.

[klear@lemmy.world]

Not like anything bad happened last time Germany started banning political parties...

I mean, I would ban them in a heartbeat, but I get their caution.