German lawmakers can’t agree whether to seek ban on far-right AfD

[syntha@sh.itjust.works]

And as we all remember, when the Nazi Party was banned 98 years ago, the problem was solved, just like that, and nothing at all happened afterwards.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

It was solved for decades. Sorry it wasn't solved for an infinity number of years like you think it should have been.

[mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works]

If one person or a few people have a definition wrong, that's a thing that can be corrected.

If the majority of people think that's the definition, and it's been that way for decades, then you have the definition wrong.

[foobarrington@lemmy.world]

Do you have data to show that a majority of people have been missing "technocracy" for decades?

[mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works]

Something I've been thinking a lot lately is that democracy is a process. It is a means by which we attempt to ensure a just and fair government for all. It's not an end in itself; we don't want democracy because democracy, at least not once people really think about it.

Which leads me to a saying. "The ends do not justify the means." This is a commonly held statement. However, it also works the other way:

The means do not justify the ends.

That means it doesn't matter if something was done by the rules, using the process, it doesn't matter if we voted for it, it doesn't matter what process was used to achieve it. If the ends are wrong, going "well, it's what was decided democratically" isn't an excuse.

[mitm0@lemmy.world]

Yes ban them on historical grounds at the very lesst

[ogmios@sh.itjust.works]

That's exactly my point. If you come in and start declaring the definitions have to be different from how the speaker uses their own words, because people they've never even met said so, that's not a good faith effort.

[syntha@sh.itjust.works]

I'm talking about the Beer Hall Putsch. Not the end of WW2, as that would 80 years ago.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Okay, and the Nazi party got outlawed after WWII and things seemed to do well for most of those 80 years.

[syntha@sh.itjust.works]

Do you think that was because of the ban on the NSDAP or because of the unconditional surrender, execution of influential personnel and subsequent occupation of Germany?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I think that there were no Nazis left to run the party by the 1980s and Germany was still fine.