Nice one
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I go to meetings so I don't have to work
It’s meetings all the way down. And if they make you watch training videos…
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Problem is, that the work is still there after the meeting
See, now you’re talking hourly versus salary. That’s why if the meeting is bullshit, I peace out.
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Correct. If we stop using buzzwords, then we will have to start asking ourselves what we are actually doing here
I'm aligned with your perspective, and I appreciate the clarity you've brought to this facet of the conversation. From a tactical standpoint, I want to loop in the stakeholders to ensure they are also in sync with the continued usage of buzzwords.
If you run into any blockers, please circle back.
Cheers!
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you want me on the call, I'm there.
don't complain when I don't deliver on goals though.
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Talk to your manager.
Shortly after I was hired, my manager told me I should feel free to decline any meeting that didn't seem useful, or that if it was preventing me from getting "real" work done.
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I usually join the meeting and start asking a lots of questions and clarifications because I don't know what the stuff is about. After that, the amount of useless meeting requests drops like a rock.
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I'm aligned with your perspective, and I appreciate the clarity you've brought to this facet of the conversation. From a tactical standpoint, I want to loop in the stakeholders to ensure they are also in sync with the continued usage of buzzwords.
If you run into any blockers, please circle back.
Cheers!
I will hunt you for sport.
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I'm not that good of an actor to be able to lie like that and keep a straight face.
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I go to meetings so I don't have to work
I'm going to need to pull you into a meeting real quick so we can discuss this attitude.
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I will hunt you for sport.
A service to humanity, really
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Talk to your manager.
Shortly after I was hired, my manager told me I should feel free to decline any meeting that didn't seem useful, or that if it was preventing me from getting "real" work done.
Or just ask the person organizing the meeting.
"I saw you added me to a meeting tomorrow. Can you provide a bit of context so I can come prepared?"
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Meetings are the viable alternative to work. Meetings that you don't need to contribute to are even better. Take a break. Catch some zees.
Someone after my own heart.
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Sounds like they are talking in buzzwords.
Sure, but the overall intent holds true. Not just in professional settings, it's important to have the skill to reframe a negative comment into a positive one.
This is probably what I would say:
It sounds like you've got everything you need for the meeting. Would it still make sense for me to attend?
If that's the case, then I think I'd be more useful handling some other tasks in the meantime. Please keep me updated on the outcome of the meeting
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Depends also if they include you so they don’t make dumb decisions. If they are capable of doing stuff on their own great. If they are habitually doing shit without asking you even just a question (and make every little thing into a meeting which is about just managing their decision making) it’s kind of always mandatory just to be there to save them from themselves and from taking decisions away from you.
I don’t know why it’s so hard to say ‘hey can we just grab you for a moment’ instead of and either or hour long meeting making you sit through it just to get to you about something either mildly so unimportant you didnt need you or they destroy the project
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I go to meetings so I don't have to work
I'm in a meeting right now.
Yeah, I don't have anything to contribute to it, so I'm browsing. -
Correct. If we stop using buzzwords, then we will have to start asking ourselves what we are actually doing here
I think we should circle back and close the loop on that one later...
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Sounds like they are talking in buzzwords.
Corporate buzzwords are cargo cult behavior. Jargon and industry-specific terms can be helpful for accurately communicating precise or nuanced ideas, but generic buzzwords are just people who try to sound professional or smart by mimicking the people they've seen in those roles.
Just asking "what's my role in the meeting" is a simple way to get to the point, and isn't impolite or unprofessional.
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Fluent companyspeech
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What if you enjoy your work and find value in it; and the meeting is pointless bullshit that just breaks your focus?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Do whatever you want, mate. Decline the meeting?
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The biggest part of the issue in state-run higher-ed is the glacial pace at which hiring happens vs. how fast the works shows up. My organization is legitimately trying to hire appropriately (I believe), but we can't allocate resources until the students show up, and then it's an 18 month turn around between filing a faculty hiring request and the person starting work due to the standard academic hiring cycle and state-mandated EEO requirements (and that's assuming that admin approve the hiring request the first time you ask for it, which they do as often as they can). On the other hand, it only takes 2 weeks for people to resign and move on, so we're losing people as fast as we can hire them. We could to try to hire faster, but it's a tiny school with a tiny HR (so we're capped at hiring about 4-5 faculty positions per year) and a small number of faculty (so it's hard getting enough people to volunteer when you need to fill a hiring committee).
Honestly, I really like the organization and think admin are making good choices, but we legally can't turn students away, so when more people enroll, there's more work with the same number of workers for at least a year. It's honestly a good problem to have, and they do a decent job at compensating me for my extra work, but I'd rather have more help and less OT as soon as we can manage it.
All that said, working in private industry or in an organization that doesn't have as many restrictions, I would absolutely be saying "no" a lot more. As it is, when I say no, it's my colleagues and the students that feel the repercussions, not admin, and I have a hard time being OK with that.
The phrase 'act your wage' springs to mind. I realised you probably care deeply about the students, but it sounds like you need to care a little bit more deeply about yourself and stop letting them exploit you. Understaffing is management's problem, not yours.
