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  • ? Guest

    Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

    Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

    lemmchen@feddit.orgL This user is from outside of this forum
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    Some form of domain and a DNS server (router or Pi-Hole) in your LAN

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    • ? Guest

      Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

      Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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      #15

      Reverse proxy + DNS-challenge wildcard cert for your domain. The end. Super easy to set up and zero maintenance. Adding a new service is just a couple clicks in your reverse proxy and you’re done.

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      • ? Guest

        Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

        Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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        #16

        I did follow this guide from Techno Tim, he uses cloudflare but you can go with Lets encrypt aswell

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liV3c9m_OX8

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        • mouse@midwest.socialM [email protected]

          I use Caddy for this. I'll leave links to the documentation as well as a few examples.

          Here's the documentation for wildcard certs.
          https://caddyserver.com/docs/automatic-https#wildcard-certificates

          Here's how you add DNS providers to Caddy without Docker.
          https://caddy.community/t/how-to-use-dns-provider-modules-in-caddy-2/8148

          Here's how you do it with Docker.
          https://github.com/docker-library/docs/tree/master/caddy#adding-custom-caddy-modules

          Look for the DNS provider in this repository first.
          https://github.com/caddy-dns

          Here's documentation about using environment variables.
          https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/concepts#environment-variables

          Docker

          A few examples of Dockerfiles. These will build Caddy with DNS support.

          DuckDNS

          FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
          RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns
          
          FROM caddy:2
          COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
          

          Cloudflare

          FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
          RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare
          
          FROM caddy:2
          COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
          

          Porkbun

          FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
          RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun
          
          FROM caddy:2
          COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
          

          Configure DNS provider

          This is what to add the the Caddyfile, I've used these in the examples that follow this section.
          You can look at the repository for the DNS provider to see how to configure it for example.

          DuckDNS

          https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples

          tls {
          	dns duckdns {env.DUCKDNS_API_TOKEN}
          }
          

          CloudFlare

          https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples
          Dual-key

          tls {
          	dns cloudflare {
          		zone_token {env.CF_ZONE_TOKEN}
          		api_token {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
          	}
          }
          

          Single-key

          tls {
          	dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
          }
          

          PorkBun

          https://github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun?tab=readme-ov-file#config-examples
          Global

          {
          	acme_dns porkbun {
          			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
          			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
          	}
          }
          

          or per site

          tls {
          	dns porkbun {
          			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
          			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
          	}
          }
          

          Caddyfile

          And finally the Caddyfile examples.

          DuckDNS

          Here's how you do it with DuckDNS.

          *.example.org {
                  tls {
                          dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                  }
          
                  @hass host home-assistant.example.org
                  handle @hass {
                          reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                  }
          }
          

          Also you can use environment variables like this.

          *.{$DOMAIN} {
                  tls {
                          dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                  }
          
                  @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                  handle @hass {
                          reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                  }
          }
          

          CloudFlare.

          *.{$DOMAIN} {
                  tls {
          	        dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                  }
          
                  @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                  handle @hass {
                          reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                  }
          }
          

          Porkbun

          *.{$DOMAIN} {
                  tls {
          	        dns porkbun {
          			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
          			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
          	        }
                  }
          
                  @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                  handle @hass {
                          reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                  }
          }
          
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          #17

          thank you for providing such a thorough reply, good shit

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          • mouse@midwest.socialM [email protected]

            I use Caddy for this. I'll leave links to the documentation as well as a few examples.

            Here's the documentation for wildcard certs.
            https://caddyserver.com/docs/automatic-https#wildcard-certificates

            Here's how you add DNS providers to Caddy without Docker.
            https://caddy.community/t/how-to-use-dns-provider-modules-in-caddy-2/8148

            Here's how you do it with Docker.
            https://github.com/docker-library/docs/tree/master/caddy#adding-custom-caddy-modules

            Look for the DNS provider in this repository first.
            https://github.com/caddy-dns

            Here's documentation about using environment variables.
            https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/concepts#environment-variables

            Docker

            A few examples of Dockerfiles. These will build Caddy with DNS support.

            DuckDNS

            FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
            RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns
            
            FROM caddy:2
            COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
            

            Cloudflare

            FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
            RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare
            
            FROM caddy:2
            COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
            

            Porkbun

            FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
            RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun
            
            FROM caddy:2
            COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
            

            Configure DNS provider

            This is what to add the the Caddyfile, I've used these in the examples that follow this section.
            You can look at the repository for the DNS provider to see how to configure it for example.

            DuckDNS

            https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples

            tls {
            	dns duckdns {env.DUCKDNS_API_TOKEN}
            }
            

            CloudFlare

            https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples
            Dual-key

            tls {
            	dns cloudflare {
            		zone_token {env.CF_ZONE_TOKEN}
            		api_token {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
            	}
            }
            

            Single-key

            tls {
            	dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
            }
            

            PorkBun

            https://github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun?tab=readme-ov-file#config-examples
            Global

            {
            	acme_dns porkbun {
            			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
            			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
            	}
            }
            

            or per site

            tls {
            	dns porkbun {
            			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
            			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
            	}
            }
            

            Caddyfile

            And finally the Caddyfile examples.

            DuckDNS

            Here's how you do it with DuckDNS.

            *.example.org {
                    tls {
                            dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                    }
            
                    @hass host home-assistant.example.org
                    handle @hass {
                            reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                    }
            }
            

            Also you can use environment variables like this.

            *.{$DOMAIN} {
                    tls {
                            dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                    }
            
                    @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                    handle @hass {
                            reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                    }
            }
            

            CloudFlare.

            *.{$DOMAIN} {
                    tls {
            	        dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                    }
            
                    @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                    handle @hass {
                            reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                    }
            }
            

            Porkbun

            *.{$DOMAIN} {
                    tls {
            	        dns porkbun {
            			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
            			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
            	        }
                    }
            
                    @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                    handle @hass {
                            reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                    }
            }
            
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            #18

            Thanks for being so detailed!

            I use caddy for straightforward https, but every time I try to use it for a service that isn't just a reverse_proxy entry, I really struggle to find resources I understand... and most of the time the "solutions" I find are outdated and don't seem to work. The most recent example of this for me would be Baikal.

            Do you have any recommendations for where I might get good examples and learn more about how do troubleshoot and improve my Caddyfile entries?

            Thanks!

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            • mouse@midwest.socialM [email protected]

              I use Caddy for this. I'll leave links to the documentation as well as a few examples.

              Here's the documentation for wildcard certs.
              https://caddyserver.com/docs/automatic-https#wildcard-certificates

              Here's how you add DNS providers to Caddy without Docker.
              https://caddy.community/t/how-to-use-dns-provider-modules-in-caddy-2/8148

              Here's how you do it with Docker.
              https://github.com/docker-library/docs/tree/master/caddy#adding-custom-caddy-modules

              Look for the DNS provider in this repository first.
              https://github.com/caddy-dns

              Here's documentation about using environment variables.
              https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/concepts#environment-variables

              Docker

              A few examples of Dockerfiles. These will build Caddy with DNS support.

              DuckDNS

              FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
              RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns
              
              FROM caddy:2
              COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
              

              Cloudflare

              FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
              RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare
              
              FROM caddy:2
              COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
              

              Porkbun

              FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
              RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun
              
              FROM caddy:2
              COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
              

              Configure DNS provider

              This is what to add the the Caddyfile, I've used these in the examples that follow this section.
              You can look at the repository for the DNS provider to see how to configure it for example.

              DuckDNS

              https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples

              tls {
              	dns duckdns {env.DUCKDNS_API_TOKEN}
              }
              

              CloudFlare

              https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples
              Dual-key

              tls {
              	dns cloudflare {
              		zone_token {env.CF_ZONE_TOKEN}
              		api_token {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
              	}
              }
              

              Single-key

              tls {
              	dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
              }
              

              PorkBun

              https://github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun?tab=readme-ov-file#config-examples
              Global

              {
              	acme_dns porkbun {
              			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
              			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
              	}
              }
              

              or per site

              tls {
              	dns porkbun {
              			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
              			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
              	}
              }
              

              Caddyfile

              And finally the Caddyfile examples.

              DuckDNS

              Here's how you do it with DuckDNS.

              *.example.org {
                      tls {
                              dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                      }
              
                      @hass host home-assistant.example.org
                      handle @hass {
                              reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                      }
              }
              

              Also you can use environment variables like this.

              *.{$DOMAIN} {
                      tls {
                              dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                      }
              
                      @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                      handle @hass {
                              reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                      }
              }
              

              CloudFlare.

              *.{$DOMAIN} {
                      tls {
              	        dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                      }
              
                      @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                      handle @hass {
                              reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                      }
              }
              

              Porkbun

              *.{$DOMAIN} {
                      tls {
              	        dns porkbun {
              			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
              			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
              	        }
                      }
              
                      @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                      handle @hass {
                              reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                      }
              }
              
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              #19

              I do the same!

              I have a provider that is not supported by caddy, but I can still use it via duckdns delegation!

              https://github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns?tab=readme-ov-file#challenge-delegation

              Challenge delegation

              To obtain a certificate using ACME DNS challenges, you'd use this module as described above. But, if you have a different domain (say, my.example.com) CNAME'd to your Duck DNS domain, you have two options:

              1. Not use this module: Use a module matching the DNS provider for my.example.com.
              2. Delegate the challenge to Duck DNS.
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              • ? Guest

                Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                #20

                +1 for the letsencrypt wildcard with DNS verification, been using this for years. with dehydrated (https://github.com/dehydrated-io/dehydrated) you can automate renewing the certs, pretty convenient.

                One thing i didn't see mentioned yet - you can also easily create a wildcard for a subdomain of your domain, e.g. *.local.example.com.
                Most DNS providers let you define something like _acme-challenge.local IN TXT ... so you don't even need to define an extra zone for local.example.com.
                Probably makes no big difference, but i like it ^^

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                • ? Guest

                  Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                  Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                  #21

                  I'll mention this as no one has yet but you can be your own CA. Tools like mkcert make it easy

                  https://github.com/FiloSottile/mkcert

                  This is potentially more hassle (than using public DNS) as you have to get your CA certs onto every device. However it may be suitable depending on the situation.

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                  • ? Guest

                    +1 for the letsencrypt wildcard with DNS verification, been using this for years. with dehydrated (https://github.com/dehydrated-io/dehydrated) you can automate renewing the certs, pretty convenient.

                    One thing i didn't see mentioned yet - you can also easily create a wildcard for a subdomain of your domain, e.g. *.local.example.com.
                    Most DNS providers let you define something like _acme-challenge.local IN TXT ... so you don't even need to define an extra zone for local.example.com.
                    Probably makes no big difference, but i like it ^^

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                    #22

                    If you are really looking for hassle-free this is it. LetsEncrypt root certificates are already trusted by most devices so when your friends come over and wanna control the media library or whatever you don’t need to install your locally hosted CA’s self-signed certificates on their phone.

                    Also certbot and a cron or systemd timer is all you need; people have rolled all these fancy solutions but I say keep it simple.

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                    • ? Guest

                      Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                      Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                      #23

                      The most straightforward thing to do, on a private LAN, is to make all your own certs, from a custom root cert, and then manually install that cert as "trusted" on each machine. If none of the machines on this network need to accessed from outside the LAN, then you're golden.

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                      • T [email protected]

                        Thanks for being so detailed!

                        I use caddy for straightforward https, but every time I try to use it for a service that isn't just a reverse_proxy entry, I really struggle to find resources I understand... and most of the time the "solutions" I find are outdated and don't seem to work. The most recent example of this for me would be Baikal.

                        Do you have any recommendations for where I might get good examples and learn more about how do troubleshoot and improve my Caddyfile entries?

                        Thanks!

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                        #24

                        Unfortunately that's one area I am bad with, I tend to use reverse_proxy for most such as Baikal running with the ckulka/baikal Docker image (which runs Nginx or Apache), otherwise I only static sites.

                        I'd start by looking at Baikal's config for Apache and Nginx, https://sabre.io/baikal/install/ and comparing to the directives for Caddy, https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/directives and

                        Since it uses PHP, it will need that, https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/patterns#php

                        Upon my searches I came across this, it talks about running Baikal with Caddy specifically. https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/497

                        I hope that this provided some helpful directions.

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                        • ? Guest

                          Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                          Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                          #25

                          LetsEncrypt.

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                            Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                            Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                            With certbot there's probably a plugin to do it automatically, but if you just want to get something working right now you can run the following to manually run a dns challenge against your chosen domain names and get a cert for any specified. This will expire in ~3 months and you'll need to do it again, so I'd recommend throwing it in a cron job and finding the applicable certbot-dns-dnsprovider plugin that will make it run without your input. Once you have it working you can extract the certs from /etc/letsencrypt/live on most systems. Just be aware that the files there are going to be symlinks so you'll want to copy them before tarballing them to move other machines.

                            certbot --preferred-challenges dns --manual certonly -d *.mydomain.tld -d mydomain.tld -d *.local.mydomain.tld

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                              Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                              Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                              I just:

                              1. Have my router setup with DNS for domains I want to direct locally, and point them to:
                              2. Have a reverse proxy that has auto- certbot behavior (caddy) connected to the cloud flair API
                              3. Navigation I do within my local network to these domains gives me real certificates.
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                                I just:

                                1. Have my router setup with DNS for domains I want to direct locally, and point them to:
                                2. Have a reverse proxy that has auto- certbot behavior (caddy) connected to the cloud flair API
                                3. Navigation I do within my local network to these domains gives me real certificates.
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                                FYI, all the certs you generate are public record, so it might be a good idea to use a wildcard route in Caddy. That will make it only generates one cert, so no one can find your internal domain names. Especially if your Caddy instance is accessible from the Internet, and you’re expecting external connections not to be able to access domains with only internal DNS records

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                                  I use Caddy for this. I'll leave links to the documentation as well as a few examples.

                                  Here's the documentation for wildcard certs.
                                  https://caddyserver.com/docs/automatic-https#wildcard-certificates

                                  Here's how you add DNS providers to Caddy without Docker.
                                  https://caddy.community/t/how-to-use-dns-provider-modules-in-caddy-2/8148

                                  Here's how you do it with Docker.
                                  https://github.com/docker-library/docs/tree/master/caddy#adding-custom-caddy-modules

                                  Look for the DNS provider in this repository first.
                                  https://github.com/caddy-dns

                                  Here's documentation about using environment variables.
                                  https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/concepts#environment-variables

                                  Docker

                                  A few examples of Dockerfiles. These will build Caddy with DNS support.

                                  DuckDNS

                                  FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
                                  RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/duckdns
                                  
                                  FROM caddy:2
                                  COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
                                  

                                  Cloudflare

                                  FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
                                  RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare
                                  
                                  FROM caddy:2
                                  COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
                                  

                                  Porkbun

                                  FROM caddy:2-builder AS builder
                                  RUN xcaddy build --with github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun
                                  
                                  FROM caddy:2
                                  COPY --from=builder /usr/bin/caddy /usr/bin/caddy
                                  

                                  Configure DNS provider

                                  This is what to add the the Caddyfile, I've used these in the examples that follow this section.
                                  You can look at the repository for the DNS provider to see how to configure it for example.

                                  DuckDNS

                                  https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples

                                  tls {
                                  	dns duckdns {env.DUCKDNS_API_TOKEN}
                                  }
                                  

                                  CloudFlare

                                  https://github.com/caddy-dns/cloudflare?tab=readme-ov-file#caddyfile-examples
                                  Dual-key

                                  tls {
                                  	dns cloudflare {
                                  		zone_token {env.CF_ZONE_TOKEN}
                                  		api_token {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                                  	}
                                  }
                                  

                                  Single-key

                                  tls {
                                  	dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                                  }
                                  

                                  PorkBun

                                  https://github.com/caddy-dns/porkbun?tab=readme-ov-file#config-examples
                                  Global

                                  {
                                  	acme_dns porkbun {
                                  			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
                                  			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
                                  	}
                                  }
                                  

                                  or per site

                                  tls {
                                  	dns porkbun {
                                  			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
                                  			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
                                  	}
                                  }
                                  

                                  Caddyfile

                                  And finally the Caddyfile examples.

                                  DuckDNS

                                  Here's how you do it with DuckDNS.

                                  *.example.org {
                                          tls {
                                                  dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                                          }
                                  
                                          @hass host home-assistant.example.org
                                          handle @hass {
                                                  reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                                          }
                                  }
                                  

                                  Also you can use environment variables like this.

                                  *.{$DOMAIN} {
                                          tls {
                                                  dns duckdns {$DUCKDNS_TOKEN}
                                          }
                                  
                                          @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                                          handle @hass {
                                                  reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                                          }
                                  }
                                  

                                  CloudFlare.

                                  *.{$DOMAIN} {
                                          tls {
                                  	        dns cloudflare {env.CF_API_TOKEN}
                                          }
                                  
                                          @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                                          handle @hass {
                                                  reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                                          }
                                  }
                                  

                                  Porkbun

                                  *.{$DOMAIN} {
                                          tls {
                                  	        dns porkbun {
                                  			api_key {env.PORKBUN_API_KEY}
                                  			api_secret_key {env.PORKBUN_API_SECRET_KEY}
                                  	        }
                                          }
                                  
                                          @hass host home-assistant.{$DOMAIN}
                                          handle @hass {
                                                  reverse_proxy home-assistant:8123
                                          }
                                  }
                                  
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                                    I just:

                                    1. Have my router setup with DNS for domains I want to direct locally, and point them to:
                                    2. Have a reverse proxy that has auto- certbot behavior (caddy) connected to the cloud flair API
                                    3. Navigation I do within my local network to these domains gives me real certificates.
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                                    • ? Guest

                                      Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                                      Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                                      Let's encrypt has a DNS verification option.

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                                        Maybe this is more of a home lab question, but I'm utterly clueless regarding PKI and HTTPS certs, despite taking more than one class that goes into some detail about how the system works. I've tried finding guides on how to set up your own CA, but my eyes glaze over after the third or fourth certificate you have to generate.

                                        Anyway, I know you need a public DNS record for HTTPS to work, and it struck me recently that I do in fact own a domain name that I currently use as my DNS suffix on my LAN. Is there a way I can get Let's Encrypt to dole out a wildcard certificate I can use on the hosts in my LAN so I don't have to fiddle with every machine that uses every service I'm hosting? If so, is there a guide for the brain dead one could point me to? Maybe doing this will help me grock the whole PKI thing.

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                                        You don't need a public DNS record for https to work. You can just use public external certs as long as it's for a domain you own. You don't need to setup the same domains externally.

                                        If you want certs for a domain you own, then yeah you're looking at self signed.

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                                          I'll mention this as no one has yet but you can be your own CA. Tools like mkcert make it easy

                                          https://github.com/FiloSottile/mkcert

                                          This is potentially more hassle (than using public DNS) as you have to get your CA certs onto every device. However it may be suitable depending on the situation.

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                                          Running your own CA is essentially still a form of self signed. Though it will work better for some use cases (at the cost of more complexity)

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