I'm doing my part💪
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The abuser has to pay lifelong alimony to the abused. If the accusation turns out to be false, however, the "abused" has to pay.
This is right, but we have the law to not do it ourselves based on subjective judgement.
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This is right, but we have the law to not do it ourselves based on subjective judgement.
Well… while an objective law is important… Don’t get me wrong - if anyone would do anything to my girl I’d personally rip their reproductive organs out and force feed that to them
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Depends. Are we talking paedophile in the sense of Epstein or in the sense of LGBTQ person?
Because right-wingers tend to call people who are not paedophiles paedophiles (very often just LGBTQ people), while protecting actual paedophiles like the republicans who are fighting to keep child marriage legal in the USA.
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Well… while an objective law is important… Don’t get me wrong - if anyone would do anything to my girl I’d personally rip their reproductive organs out and force feed that to them
This is understandable, probably I could do the same if my kids were harmed, however I hold the position that (objectively speaking) the law should deal with this kind of crime.
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Sorry but what the actual fuck are these comments???
Lemmy: yeh punch a nazi haha that's awesome and deserved and cool
Also Lemmy: nooo don't be mean to pedophiles they're just misunderstood waaahhh it's all QAnon propaganda
Fuck anyone who thinks abusing children is fine and normal. Fuck you all so hard to hell. Get the absolute fuck away from my kids.
I'm pretty damn left, but I have zero empathy at all for anyone who is thinking sexual shit about children. I'm livid. Holy shit.
Fuck anyone who thinks abusing children is fine and normal. Fuck you all so hard to hell. Get the absolute fuck away from my kids.
I’m pretty damn left, but I have zero empathy at all for anyone who is thinking sexual shit about children. I’m livid. Holy shit.
Abuse is a choice. Sexual attraction isn't. You're worked up about abuse, not about pedophilia.
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Morality is a human construct but sometimes people confuse their morals with the factual information they know which isn't exactly bad even tho it may sound bad
I still wouldn't change my opinion tho
I wouldn't describe the feeling I'm having as my morals. My morals are conscious and deliberate.
Maybe you need to be a parent to understand... It is a visceral, deep in the gut feeling of fury and repulsion and rage.
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Fuck anyone who thinks abusing children is fine and normal. Fuck you all so hard to hell. Get the absolute fuck away from my kids.
I’m pretty damn left, but I have zero empathy at all for anyone who is thinking sexual shit about children. I’m livid. Holy shit.
Abuse is a choice. Sexual attraction isn't. You're worked up about abuse, not about pedophilia.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You're incorrect. I am disgusted by actual abuse, but I am also legitimately disgusted by the idea of anyone having sexualised thoughts about children. If you can tell me that these people have no control over that then you must be able to comprehend that as a parent I have no control over my protective instincts.
The idea of people who are sexually attracted to my children, or any children, being anywhere in the vaguest vicinity of them triggers very deep instinctual reactions. Whether those people intend to act or not.
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I wouldn't describe the feeling I'm having as my morals. My morals are conscious and deliberate.
Maybe you need to be a parent to understand... It is a visceral, deep in the gut feeling of fury and repulsion and rage.
Isn't that exactly what i meant in my post?
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You're incorrect. I am disgusted by actual abuse, but I am also legitimately disgusted by the idea of anyone having sexualised thoughts about children. If you can tell me that these people have no control over that then you must be able to comprehend that as a parent I have no control over my protective instincts.
The idea of people who are sexually attracted to my children, or any children, being anywhere in the vaguest vicinity of them triggers very deep instinctual reactions. Whether those people intend to act or not.
Everyone needs a Boogeyman to hate. Yours are pedophiles, no need to apologize about that one. It still is only a feeling that your brain craves.
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You're incorrect. I am disgusted by actual abuse, but I am also legitimately disgusted by the idea of anyone having sexualised thoughts about children. If you can tell me that these people have no control over that then you must be able to comprehend that as a parent I have no control over my protective instincts.
The idea of people who are sexually attracted to my children, or any children, being anywhere in the vaguest vicinity of them triggers very deep instinctual reactions. Whether those people intend to act or not.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You’re incorrect. I am disgusted by actual abuse, but I am also legitimately disgusted by the idea of anyone having sexualised thoughts about children. If you can tell me that these people have no control over that then you must be able to comprehend that as a parent I have no control over my protective instincts.
The idea of people who are sexually attracted to my children, or any children, being anywhere in the vaguest vicinity of them triggers very deep instinctual reactions. Whether those people intend to act or not.
Well, if you're worried about thoughts, what do you suppose will create a safer environment for your offspring? De-stigmatization of problematic urges, allowing the afflicted to openly participate in society and receive assistance, or active and violent ostracization and persecution, forcing each and every afflicted person into immediate, life-long and hopeless secrecy?
Just like anyone else you have the ability to act against your immediate instincts, because sometimes, as exemplified by the premise of this whole thread, instincts are just shit.
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What's with all the anti-republican propaganda on here these days?
As a Trump supporter this post directly attacks me.
Edit: The people that took this post seriously should touch some grass
Sadly, sarcasm doesn’t translate well in text - and Trump voters have been guilty of saying the most unhinged shit out loud.
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Isn't that exactly what i meant in my post?
Yep sorry. Your post is good, and your comment is good.
The other comments just shocked me and I have been reactionary. I should never have strayed into "All" probably.
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TIL there are 64 pedos in lemmy
ANYWHERE with several thousand users will statistically have more pedos than that. It is something that afflicts around 1-5 percent of the population. Just imagine the person most closest to you being a non offending pedo. They might be, no way to find out.
We managed to call it CSAM, why not call the people Childabusers if thats what we call out? After all there are enough people abusing children sexually without having pedophilia.
Thanks for coming to my Tedtalk.
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I always worry about this. Ive got some specific non-vanilla stuff that I didnt ask for and cant change. Lucky for me its nothing illegal or harmful, just non-standard.
It could just as easily have been the bad.
it can also easily become the bad, which is why "i have nothing to hide" morons need to be yanked by the ear
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Depends. Are we talking paedophile in the sense of Epstein or in the sense of LGBTQ person?
Because right-wingers tend to call people who are not paedophiles paedophiles (very often just LGBTQ people), while protecting actual paedophiles like the republicans who are fighting to keep child marriage legal in the USA.
Yeah, this kind of vague, "kill your local pedophile :)" sentiment is often just an anti-LGBT dogwhistle and makes me uneasy.
If someone is going to post shit like this, and not actively tie it to the very obvious class dynamics of wealthy human traffickers, conservative Christians who promote child marriage, and politicians who protect them (without also being Anti-Semitic), then I just kind of assume it's a thinly veiled call for violence against queer people
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Depends. Are we talking paedophile in the sense of Epstein or in the sense of LGBTQ person?
Because right-wingers tend to call people who are not paedophiles paedophiles (very often just LGBTQ people), while protecting actual paedophiles like the republicans who are fighting to keep child marriage legal in the USA.
I really hate how right wingers have bastardised the term to mean "LGBTQ people" meanwhile tons of right wingers are actually paedophiles
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Pedophiles did nothing wrong
Pedocriminals did
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That doesn't require a monopoly, just more force than the terrorist can produce.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It requires not allowing the police to be outgunned by terrorists.
Notice that it was after the LA bank robbery in the 90s, where two guys had tons of body armour and military rifles and outgunned the LAPD with their 6 shooters, that you suddenly saw every single police force across the country militarize and buy assault rifles, body armour, and APCs.
Notice how in the UK their cops still patrol without guns.
The state will always maintain a monopoly on the top level of violence. The idea of gun ownership to oppose the state is laughable. Notice: right now, no gun owners using them to oppose the state.
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Depends.
Pedophilia is likely an inherent sexual attraction, much like being straight, or LGBTQ+. It appears that the sexual attraction is not something that the person has control over. There's no good evidence that it can be changed. Some pedophiles are also sexually attracted to age-appropriate partners, some appear to be exclusively attracted to children. Moreover, it appears to split into nepophilia (infants, toddlers), pedophilia (pre-pubescent children older than toddlers), and ephebophilia (pubescent children and post-pubescent children younger than the legal age of consent).
Epstein appears to have been attracted to post-pubescent girls younger below the age of consent, but he also seems to have had sexual relationships with adult women. E.g., he wasn't exclusively a pedophile.
Child molestation is a completely different matter. Child molesters can be pedophiles, but they can also be opportunistic sexual predators. A significant amount of child molestation is also incest, e.g., a parent or close relative (almost always male) using a child for sexual gratification because they can (proximity, opportunity), rather than preferring children. Either way, child molesters that sexually abuse children are very high risk offenders; they are often very, very likely to commit the same crime repeatedly.
So, I'd draw the line a line between someone that's sexually attracted to minors, and someone that acts. The child molester? Yeah, fuck 'em with a chainsaw. Pedophiles that haven't yet done anything (including grooming!)? No.
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As I understand it, pedophilia is just attraction; not taking action. And many people who were abused as children themselves end up developing the condition. I think it is treatable, but probably not "curable" (maybe, IDK).
AFAIK, child molestation victims are not more likely to become pedophiles or molest children; usually they've got a lot of PTSD.
The only treatment that's available is chemical castration (to largely eliminate sexual urges, although that creates a ton of health issues), and therapy that reduces the probability of criminal offenses against children. It's not treating pedophilia per se, it's helping people learn to avoid triggers and spaces where they're likely to feel overwhelmed by sexual impulses. There's no cure.
