Bluesky now has 30 million users.
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*an incomplete subset of Bluesky is opensource
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Ngl thanks for the detail, I went and had another look so correct me if I’m wrong.
- Anyone can host a open source PDS like the Bluesky PDS.
- Anyone can make an AppView to view these PDSs.
- Someone with many resources needs to host a relay.
- Also it seems that Bluesky is able to gatekeep access to its federation of PDSs on a per AppView basis? The details are a bit confusing.
So if we wanted to undermine Bluesky’s currently - hopefully temporary - centralised state, we would need multiple community modified PDSs, a widely rehosted open source AppView webapp & iOS/Android clients, a very expensive relay that is community controlled via non profit or something, and then we would be federated with each other and the bluesky infrastructure too?
Sounds like a lot of work just to recreate the user-end functionality of ActivityPub
Very confused why they felt the need to invent ATProtocol? I have heard some vague praise of it over AP but I think I’m not technical enough to really properly make that comparison. It’s nice that ATProtocol gives you ownership of your data though.Perhaps Mastodon/ActivityPub-apps need to improve their onboarding process and user experience. Maybe include the custom feeds feature for Bluesky too. Something has to have gone wrong for Mastodon to have failed where Bluesky succeeded.
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what do you mean by incomplete subset ? The code is available on Github and can be compiled
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Yes but Twitter was fine for well over 10 years so it's fine. Like I don't understand this attitude that we can't enjoy something now because at some point in the future it may theoretically be not as good.
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The entire appview layer is proprietary in practice and in spirit.
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can you please be more specific ? What proprietary parts you found ? Did you read the code ? Again code is open source and anyone can read it and modify it, there is no proprietary, the license used is MIT not another weird license that limit the code from being used for other purposes like commercial stuff
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The code isn't available for the parts that aren't open source? Just because a component of a system is open source doesn't mean the entire system can be called open source.
That is a dangerous conflation to make in public discourse about this as it warps the conversation in artificial ways.
Make NO mistake if the entire system was actually open source they would have no way to lucratively monetize bluesky, and that is precisely what they will do.
The CEO of Bluesky has gone on record saying they haven't ruled out monetizing through forcing ads on a system. Do you not understand that is functionally impossible to force ads on a fully open source system?
how can you be so stunningly naive
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It's interesting what a bubble lemmy users are in. There is a reason it is not taking off.
Yeah, we don't have millions in VC or private equity funding to dump into marketing and to smooze with the tech press enough for them to actually do their jobs as journalists and cover the fediverse with a modicum more of nuance then "Mastodon is just for nerds, even the Mastodon CEO says so! Use Bluesky, it is corporate and its marketing promises what the fediverse already has so in that sense they are equivalent and lets be honest that means you should use Bluesky."
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Those numbers are small in the grand scheme of things, but for a newer and open source community developed project those are absurd numbers, ESPECIALLY because it isn't a flash in the pan, many of those users call the fediverse home and use it daily.
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can you please provide a URL or youtube video or anything with the claims you are describing? For the third time the code to generate the website is open source, if they have some other parts that are not open source which parts are you talking about ?
It’s not about being naive it’s about you evading the questions and making claims based on some theories heard on internet. I would rather prefer to see these claims, just so I can understand better why people are throwing garbage at a website that it’s simply providing a better user experience than X is doing at the moment.
I asked you about the code and you didn’t reply, just to name one, many companies like Meta have some code that is open source like React but like many other things are proprietary but they are indicated on their website if they are proprietary or not.
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Thanks for you detailed and cited response. Very clear!
