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Or computational intelligence isn't the same thing as skepticism
... Or wisdom.
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I wish I could remember the story but there was a guy that joined Mensa so he could con people. It worked too which rather seems to suggest that the entry requirements are not all that stringent.
I think their entry requirements are doing exactly what they're supposed to.
The problem is that intelligence, even if we could measure it correctly, doesn't and shouldn't imply what a person knows, nor their experiences and the wisdom that they carry.
Someone can be learned with a low IQ. Someone can be wise and similarly low IQ. In the same way, someone with a high IQ can be unwise.
The problem with having only one individual metric for a group which believes themselves to compose the smartest people, is that they're arrogant. I know plenty of people who are so extremely intelligent that I am certain that they could be a part of Mensa; yet, they are not. When they looked into it, they decided it would be unwise to become a member, given the requirements and the attitudes of, and about, the group.
Hell, there's a decent chance I could get in. I've never tried and I don't care to, for all the same reasons, so I would never know if I could "make it" or not.
Their arrogance and hubris is their undoing.
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If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?
The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That's just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.
Obfuscate your intelligence? Being a reddit mod sounds like it's part of the plan, then.
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So what types of discussions do you get in places where us dumb dumbs aren't allowed?
This place is similar due to how niche is it. You won’t see your dumb neighbour or loud relative here. The discussion topics are mostly the same as anywhere else, it’s just that you won’t get the type of comments that makes you sigh and scroll faster.
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Imagine stack overflow on steroids.
Well, yeah. But with a pleasant, welcoming tone. And very seldom about programming.
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Apparently ultra-high-IQ people like to use comma splices too.
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I took their online test out of curiosity and it said I was qualified to join. It was interesting to figure out the mechanism of it though.
From what I gathered, it seems what they’re really measuring is your capacity for pattern recognition and association or something along those lines.
I was curious too. I heard that online test didn't mean shit, so I did an "official" Mensa Test and well, trust me, you don't want to join.
following is a summary of a real conversation that I witnessed:
A parent sought advice, their child would fake being sick to avoid school within the first 2 weeks of the first school year. After some conversation, the parent expresses 2 opinions, 1. that they think their child gets bullied and 2. That the child couldn't express themself well enough to communicate what the issue is. So they just assumed that their child gets bullied, because if my child would tell me that their classmates are mean, I would call that express themself quite well for that age. Then in the conversation, they talk about how they thought their child how to write and read. So they are wondering why their child doesn't want to go to school after their child was forced to sit in a chair for hours, being taught the alphabet for hours that the child already knew. I wonder
can someone here tell us why the child doesn't want to sit in a chair for hours, writing down the same letter again and again as practice for something that they are already able to do? Does someone know?They really couldn't figure that one out.
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I went to college with a kid who introduced himself to the class as a Mensa member on day 1. it was a logics class.
halfway through the semester I argued my point logically against him in a debate in front of the class and won. he was embarrassed as fuck and as red as a tomato. he was so pissed that he lost against me because he believed I was inferior to him.
my tactic was to get him emotionally flustered on his stance, which he vehemently believed in, and argue logical arguments regardless of their logical context to his stance.
for example if his stance was "all abortions are wrong." my argument was, "if abortions are wrong and death is wrong then abortions that save life are right because abortions don't kill people. so if abortions don't kill people all abortions are right." cue up a tit for tat back and forth for 15 minutes and I win the debate point for point.
anyway, we didn't see him for the rest of the semester and he dropped out entirely.
I kinda feel bad a bit because it was clear he was on the spectrum and I used that to my advantage but the dude was a dick.
point is Mensa is a dick stroking competition and you're better off avoiding it.
This is a fun story but I have to ask, what’s your definition of people if you say abortions don’t kill people? Couldn’t this guy have attacked you easily at that point?
I know nothing about debating or logics, so just wondering.
Glad you made him cry though
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Or computational intelligence isn't the same thing as skepticism
Or everyone is vulnerable to con games
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Somebody failed the test
Physically not possible to fail them, go get another puzzle
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Literally. I've had this happen, and then he proceeded to claim that obesity as a concept was not real.
"I'm not fat, I just have a lot of adipose tissue."
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I wish I could remember the story but there was a guy that joined Mensa so he could con people. It worked too which rather seems to suggest that the entry requirements are not all that stringent.
Isn't mensa sort of a con itself?
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If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?
The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That's just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.
As far as I can tell, most people out there have expectations about high IQ people which are straight out of Hollywood films and wholly unrealistic, so best just leave then with whatever de facto impression of brightness they have about you than mention a number and trigger the "Mental Superman" expectations.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule "the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is" - if you're really that bright, brave, strong, beautiful, confident and so on, there is no need to mention it since it's generally obvious to others.
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Gotta be dumb af to not like big booty latinas
It's my impression that people tend to be more attracted to the unusual, so if you've grown up surrounded by big booty latinas, they're not as appealing as otherwise.
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Exactly! Mensa is essentially the filter for people who think they’re smart but actually aren’t.
People at the peak Dunning-Kruger point of intelligence - just above average intelligent enough to feel they're "above" most people but not enough to properly understand the full nature of intelligence and its limits.
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Or IQ is a useless measure
IQ is absolute nonsense that tells you literally nothing about intelligence or anything of the like.
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Apparently ultra-high-IQ people like to use comma splices too.
Comma splices are good!
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IQ is absolute nonsense that tells you literally nothing about intelligence or anything of the like.
It's a very good measure if you want to predict how well people will do on IQ tests.
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I think their entry requirements are doing exactly what they're supposed to.
The problem is that intelligence, even if we could measure it correctly, doesn't and shouldn't imply what a person knows, nor their experiences and the wisdom that they carry.
Someone can be learned with a low IQ. Someone can be wise and similarly low IQ. In the same way, someone with a high IQ can be unwise.
The problem with having only one individual metric for a group which believes themselves to compose the smartest people, is that they're arrogant. I know plenty of people who are so extremely intelligent that I am certain that they could be a part of Mensa; yet, they are not. When they looked into it, they decided it would be unwise to become a member, given the requirements and the attitudes of, and about, the group.
Hell, there's a decent chance I could get in. I've never tried and I don't care to, for all the same reasons, so I would never know if I could "make it" or not.
Their arrogance and hubris is their undoing.
Mensa is for people who grew up in gifted programs being told that they will achieve greatness just because of the one test they scored hight on, and then they amounted to nothing, so they need a place where they can tell each other that they are unsuccessful only because they are so much smarter than everyone else around them.
High IQ people who manage to do something with their life usually have more to be proud of than an IQ test they took decades ago.
