Tesla’s sales fall 63% in France, Europe’s second biggest EV market

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Oh, right, so we are all very dumb for not recognizing that and also op is very enlightened because he has already arrived at the conclusion that public transport is the only valid form of transportation while the rest of us still thinks that electrically driven automobiles (*snort*) might be anything of value.

Alright, imma head over to the designated corner of shame, see you guys over there.

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Give me a break.

Hate on Musk all you're pleased, I'll join you. But I can't deny how much better tesla was vs every other brand I've test driven (Ford, Kia, Polestar mg etc). Their software is unmatched unfortunately. Until we get another brand do this shit right, tesla will be the top car. EV is only as good as its software. Most other brands are half a decade behind.

Again, if you have experience and disagree? I'm happy to discuss! I'd love to hear about your experience with brands I haven't tested. But 90% of comments here likely never driven Tesla and are just spewing bullshit because they dislike Musk. It's fine not to buy a car because of it, but trying to mental gymnastics into the car being bad makes people look like complete idiots.

I'm sure there will be smart asses here talking about quality control or software recalls, so what? Sell so many of anything and you'll have bad apples. You think other brands haven't got those?

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Pretty sure it's a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers.
Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.

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Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).

The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.

But most other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad. The cameras are bad when it's dark outside. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.

Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.

That said: don't buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don't support Nazis, punch them.

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EV is only as good as its software

That's odd, because usually when I'm driving a car, the only software I really need to do its' job is the powertrain control module and I haven't noticed that being so bad in literally any manufacturer.

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Oh I am not saying that Tesla is not making good cars, but that cars are inferior to trains. Those companies mostly had full self driving before Tesla was founded. They also all build high speed rail, which means they are faster then Tesla. Trains also use less energy then cars. The onboard entertainment mainly is bring your own device and use the WiFi, but options for restaurants are decently common.

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What do you mean? Trains are vehicles.

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I have a Tesla (it's old, wouldnt buy it now. I would unbuy it if I could. Fuck Elon, fuck Tesla) and my boyfriend has a new Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a really cool car, no problems yet with it so far, but the Tesla absolutely demolishes it from a software/end user standpoint. It is definitely the best non-Tesla EV I've played with so far, though, but I am so glad he decided on it over a 2nd Tesla. I dont think I could look at him anymore if he bought one at this point...

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I get the joke, Siemens isn't making cars obviously. But the sentiment stays. I'm in UK, our trains are nowhere as good as the mainland Europe ones unfortunately.

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That’s really a matter of opinion. I love CarPlay and prefer it to Tesla’s screen. The voice recognition is just not as good and fails most of the time when I ask it to dial or send a text message. It lacks WhatsApp integration, and my favorite podcast app just doesn’t work with Tesla’s system and never will.

Hyundai feels more comfortable both in seats and interface; I prefer actual buttons rather than trying to scroll through menus at high speed to turn on and off car features. I feel safer glancing at a speedometer in front of me rather than glancing away from the road so often. And Hyundai Ioniq cars have much better self driving on highway compared to what Tesla has, as Tesla keeps nearly clipping trucks or going out of lanes forcing me to take over far too often. I even like the auto park features.

But this really is a matter of opinion and preference.

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I never owned a tesla, i only know people who own and have owned teslas and it's a mixed bag. It's really not as simple as "car very good" and "car very bad" the biggest problem with the early gen tesla (imo) is that they aren't really thought out in many many places. My mechanic friend bought an early gen tesla for cheap and we started to pull it apart because it made odd noises. I have never seen such a weird ass car. They just glued in neoprene (or whatever that is) and other parts into the body panel for some reason. Well one reason is that the car collects dirt in the panels. And i mean i pulled out buckets of dirt from that car. The interior is incredible cheap lookjng and feeling. A lot of things in that car was just bizzar. It was like a show car, that wasn't ment to drive because everything seemed so flimsy so they just added stuff to make it not fall apart.

A guy i know ordered a then new tesla (around 2021) he was supposed to get the car in august that year, they delivered it around christmas. He's a real fanboy and he was so excited for that car. When they delivered it, the car was absolutely shit. Panel misalignment is normal with these cars, but this was crazy, and not just panels, also interior and the car rattled and what not. He didn't accept it and the delivery guy told him the car just goes to the next guy on the list until someone accepts it.
So he got another car in march or so. His windshield broke a bit later and it took them 8 month to get a new one, and because they don't have a real garage, he delivered it and they took it somewhere. It was gone for a long time and they didn't just change the windows, they also changed out the drivetrain and didn't say anything. This part is speculative to be honest, but it usually doesn't take more than a month to change the windscreen and when we put the car on a lift, the frivetrain was suspiciously clean compared to the rest of the car. They denied everything tho.
These are my first hand experiences, and reading the problems other tesla owners have, it's pretty clear that quality, quality control and customer service is like dead last on the list.

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Not denying that, but it becomes a public investment issue and not a car manufacturer issue. There is no UK train manufacturer anymore, only branch of international manufacturers.
It is clear that tesla is targeting an high end market and you have to be careful to compare their cars to similar ones with similar price point.
I hope a 60ke car is better than a 30ke one, the question is how it compares to other 60ke cars.
Then again I like train and know nothing of cars so I am not dismissing your opinion.

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I’m obviously being a bit hyperbolic but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that the data is worth an awful lot in the long run and is a cornerstone of the balance sheet.

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Sure, but that’s not relevant. Unless you’re suggesting that people buying a train is a better idea than buying a Tesla.

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Ah, so you're one of those "deliberately misunderstand" trolls. Goodbye.

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I think they're suggesting people riding trains is a better idea than buying a Tesla.

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He let that sink in.

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People are still betting big on Tesla’s self driving and other technological advances.

Value of a stock isn’t just the current market success, but also perceived future value.

That said, Tesla is overvalued for sure.

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The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing -- it's who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America's lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.

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Well, I think I'm pulling the plug too finally and offloading my Tesla to some poor shmuck. Just too many things.

I hope some dealership will give me money for it.

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Tesla’s sales fall 63% in France, Europe’s second biggest EV market