Tesla’s sales fall 63% in France, Europe’s second biggest EV market

[curcumfix_user@lemmy.world]

I think they're suggesting people riding trains is a better idea than buying a Tesla.

[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

He let that sink in.

[bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works]

People are still betting big on Tesla’s self driving and other technological advances.

Value of a stock isn’t just the current market success, but also perceived future value.

That said, Tesla is overvalued for sure.

[yarr@feddit.nl]

The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing -- it's who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America's lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.

[vga@sopuli.xyz]

Well, I think I'm pulling the plug too finally and offloading my Tesla to some poor shmuck. Just too many things.

I hope some dealership will give me money for it.

[vga@sopuli.xyz]

EV is only as good as its software.

Well.... as a Tesla owner I have to say that this car has had the worst hardware I've ever experienced. And it sure brings down the experience a tad when -- let's say -- your side door window breaks because it failed to raise the window by half a centimeter, so it crashes into the car side when you try to close it. Or when the hinge in the boot just breaks randomly and the remote fix-r-up guy cannot do anything about it. Or when the side mirror just stops working because it's chilly outside.

But sure, the software is pretty ok.

[vga@sopuli.xyz]

That said: don’t buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don’t support Nazis, punch them.

Should I buy a car from the manufacturer that was founded by Adolf Hitler instead?

[jericho_kane@lemmy.org]

The software part is odd to me too. I build weird electric vehicles for fun. Things like gokarts, bikes, rc cars, drones, whatever. My favourite part about electric vehicles is how easy they are. Battery goes to speed controller, speed controller goes to motor. Motor spins when it gets a imput. Obviously there is a bit more going into in when you build a real car. But not that much.

[scala@lemmy.ml]

Good keep it going!

[blackmist@feddit.uk]

And they haven't even slapped a bunch of tit-for-tat tariffs on them yet.

[boonhet@lemm.ee]

I think they were suggesting that in Europe there's a way best passenger train network and it's possible to live without a car.

[blackmist@feddit.uk]

I'd say they're more betting on his ability to convince road safety regulators to allow his automated death trap Johnnycabs onto American roads.

[tekato@lemmy.world]

I guess that makes sense.

[cjk@discuss.tchncs.de]

By all the good arguments against VW you had to pick the dumbest.

[cleothewizard@lemmy.world]

I think that type of speculation is acceptable usually but their self driving tech hasn’t significantly improved in a while and has been out for years, so those expectations should be mostly priced in by now.

You add that to their falling sales figures and the fact that they spent crazy money developing cyber truck and have had multiple recalls on it already, the stock is completely out to lunch. Usually they’re somewhat in touch with reality. Like Apple is a bit out to lunch but its movement is still news-based somewhat. Not the case with Tesla, they’re not out to lunch they’re out till next year in Tahiti

[merc@sh.itjust.works]

And you're one of those "oops, I realized I was wrong so I accused someone of being a troll and made my escape" posters.