Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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Is there even a point to which one you pick? I just picked .kbin because I liked the UI, and when that fell apart I moved to .world mostly at random.
Is there really a large difference between them?
World has no piracy communities they are blocked, kbin had microbloggings (mastodon) if you liked that, mbin kbin.earth is fork if kbin, still around. Piefed has the most potential.
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endless wars of who's federeated with who
i've been here for months and months, i might have seen this mentioned as an aside once or twice. but "endless wars"?
Very inside baseball opinion. It's like me describing reddit as "endless drama" because I read every thread on subreddit drama.
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we can redesign the on onboarding process.
stop explaining new terms
fuck infinite list of random names with anime girls (what do you want me to do,read!?)Make it like a map and turn instances into buildings (or gardens/circle/doesnt matter). Show some stats like how big, who i can talk to, topic. Gamify the experience so the fatigue turns into curiousity.
I do like the idea of a map.
We have colonized the Internet it's probably about time we start making a map for those that follow.
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Why is “drama” on Lemmy always highly exaggerated by people?
“Endless wars of who federates with who”. What is that person even talking about and who the fuck would even care as a normal user?
Oh yeah, I don't even know which one I signed up to without looking.
Been here a while now and I really like it. Doesn't hurt that I'm a lefty that loves star trek, though.
I can't be quiet at times and I don't really have much to share, myself, but that's not a bad thing to me. Easier to set it down sometimes.
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The vast majority of people want an experience where federation is invisible. Sign up and post/comment. To maintain the benefits of decentralisation and choice, that's never going to be a truly workable thing.
The vast majority of people don't want to create or even participate in communities, they just want to lurk, scroll and get their new content fix. Every social media based site I've ever been on, federated or centralised has a large group of people complaining about the lack of new content but never take it upon themselves to apply the obvious solution themselves.
These are not necessarily UX issues, these are people issues.
Maybe its time to stop continually worrying about this subject and concentrate on creating great communities? Because if we do that then users will participate organically.
Idk I turn on the instance names on every app idk why they keep trying to hide the federation and how it works, it makes this experience unique, I dont want the same boring shit I already hated but was stuck with
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endless wars of who's federeated with who
i've been here for months and months, i might have seen this mentioned as an aside once or twice. but "endless wars"?
I'm certain those replies are in bad faith to discourage people from leaving reddit. The first one is obvious for your aforemention reason. The second one. I mean the internet has been around for decades. People haven't suddenly forgot how to use it. Even normies have been able to figure out how to click a server. They're fomenting lazy inertia.
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That's a pretty funny thing to say when talking about a platform explicitly designed to fill the same niche as reddit.
The call is coming from inside the house!
The self-selection of Lemmy vs Reddit users is an inherently stratifying medium. Lemmy is also distinctly left-leaning in a way that Reddit is not.
Having experienced several waves of Reddit absorbing Facebook exoduses, and the subsequent worsening of experience, I can only infer the same pattern will exist in Reddit slop migrating to Lemmy.
If anything, I'd prefer that entire crowd return to Facebook to bloviate their opinions and Boomerisms ad naseum.
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I think a lot of people that think the UX is different from reddit weren't on reddit 14 years ago when it did look very similar to this.
I barely remember reddit on PC. Except for people trying to convince bitcoin would be valuable - and me thinking they were foolish. I would have sold at $25, anyways.
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Pot, meet kettle.
I know when I say something inflammatory the response I will get, but I don't let it stop me from changing my view, and I intend to converse to further share and understand information.
I'm an asshole, not a hypocrite.
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What's most annoying is that for 95% of users, federation doesn't even matter. You just log on and use lemmy exactly like reddit. All feds are consolidated onto my front page anyway.
People make a big deal about it, it definitely intimidated me when I first logged up. It's one of the reasons I put off getting into lemmy for such a long time, and it's frustrating that in the end, it really makes no difference.
All is not consolidated, though. "All" is your local feed plus what is subscribed to by users on your instance. It isn't everything by default, afaik.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
How can people figure out email, but lemmy is just too complicated?
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This I like, it solved many of the issues. I wish it was the default.
with was the default too.
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Lemmy UX is identical to old Reddit. Come on.
An improved version of old reddit with a good mobile view, which old reddit lacks.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
Those comments are fairly meaningless. Federation wars? Where? There was some controversy like a year ago from why I recall and everyone has moved way on. I wouldn’t even consider that UX either.
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endless wars of who's federeated with who
i've been here for months and months, i might have seen this mentioned as an aside once or twice. but "endless wars"?
The first year after the api debacle in 2023 was rife with culture class of redditors tromping through anarchist and communist communities and instances and freaking the fuck out they're allowed to exist.
Those instances have resulted in defederations or there's been enough fatigue and migration that these days its really just down to like 3 chronically obsessed users variously spamming about it.
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The tough part for me is that the reason I use Reddit is for bullshitting with people about sports teams I like. Lets look at some of the communities here.
- Baltimore Orioles -- There's one on lemmy.world with 150 subscribers. The last post is from 4 months ago and it's a game thread posted by a bot with 0 comments. There's also one on fanaticus.social with the last post from 7 months ago.
- Carolina Panthers -- There's one on fanaticus.social with 3 subscribers.
- Miami Heat -- There's one on lemmy.world with 10 subscribers.
- Pittsburgh Penguins -- Again, lemmy.world with 11 subscribers.
I'd love to get off reddit but until there's actually people to talk with, this place is just never going to meet the needs of sports content that I use Reddit for. I had no interest in Bluesky until some people actually got on it as well. The Shutdown Fullcast for college football brought a bunch of people and fans there so it gave some utility to the site. Without utility, there's no reason to be here.
In the early years fo Reddit, those wouldn't exist either. You have to start with bigger groups (NFL, NHL, etc) and split them if they ever get big enough.
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If the miniscule effort of signing up for a platform keeps someone away, they probably wouldn't be a good community member anyway.
You don't even have to sign up to view posts or comments.
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Reddit ux is also ass. Only difference between reddit and lemmy is that the federation bit is extremely confusing and not intuitive.
Maybe I’m more tech oriented than many, but I don’t find federation confusing at all. I’ve never understood why it’s described that way.
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Those comments are fairly meaningless. Federation wars? Where? There was some controversy like a year ago from why I recall and everyone has moved way on. I wouldn’t even consider that UX either.
Every other post is some worldist idiot whining about ml
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IMHO, the UX is bad, but the user base is also repellant. It's further left than Reddit so most people who jump in bounce right off. That's going to be difficult to change organically. Especially because most users respond to this with "good." So there's definitely no appetite to appeal to a wider audience. I predict Lemmy will become increasingly ideologically partisan and isolated.
Um… okay, if the fairly mainstream for our demographic politics here repels certain people, good.
