Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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endless wars of who's federeated with who
i've been here for months and months, i might have seen this mentioned as an aside once or twice. but "endless wars"?
I'm certain those replies are in bad faith to discourage people from leaving reddit. The first one is obvious for your aforemention reason. The second one. I mean the internet has been around for decades. People haven't suddenly forgot how to use it. Even normies have been able to figure out how to click a server. They're fomenting lazy inertia.
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That's a pretty funny thing to say when talking about a platform explicitly designed to fill the same niche as reddit.
The call is coming from inside the house!
The self-selection of Lemmy vs Reddit users is an inherently stratifying medium. Lemmy is also distinctly left-leaning in a way that Reddit is not.
Having experienced several waves of Reddit absorbing Facebook exoduses, and the subsequent worsening of experience, I can only infer the same pattern will exist in Reddit slop migrating to Lemmy.
If anything, I'd prefer that entire crowd return to Facebook to bloviate their opinions and Boomerisms ad naseum.
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I think a lot of people that think the UX is different from reddit weren't on reddit 14 years ago when it did look very similar to this.
I barely remember reddit on PC. Except for people trying to convince bitcoin would be valuable - and me thinking they were foolish. I would have sold at $25, anyways.
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Pot, meet kettle.
I know when I say something inflammatory the response I will get, but I don't let it stop me from changing my view, and I intend to converse to further share and understand information.
I'm an asshole, not a hypocrite.
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What's most annoying is that for 95% of users, federation doesn't even matter. You just log on and use lemmy exactly like reddit. All feds are consolidated onto my front page anyway.
People make a big deal about it, it definitely intimidated me when I first logged up. It's one of the reasons I put off getting into lemmy for such a long time, and it's frustrating that in the end, it really makes no difference.
All is not consolidated, though. "All" is your local feed plus what is subscribed to by users on your instance. It isn't everything by default, afaik.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
How can people figure out email, but lemmy is just too complicated?
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This I like, it solved many of the issues. I wish it was the default.
with was the default too.
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Lemmy UX is identical to old Reddit. Come on.
An improved version of old reddit with a good mobile view, which old reddit lacks.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
Those comments are fairly meaningless. Federation wars? Where? There was some controversy like a year ago from why I recall and everyone has moved way on. I wouldn’t even consider that UX either.
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endless wars of who's federeated with who
i've been here for months and months, i might have seen this mentioned as an aside once or twice. but "endless wars"?
The first year after the api debacle in 2023 was rife with culture class of redditors tromping through anarchist and communist communities and instances and freaking the fuck out they're allowed to exist.
Those instances have resulted in defederations or there's been enough fatigue and migration that these days its really just down to like 3 chronically obsessed users variously spamming about it.
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The tough part for me is that the reason I use Reddit is for bullshitting with people about sports teams I like. Lets look at some of the communities here.
- Baltimore Orioles -- There's one on lemmy.world with 150 subscribers. The last post is from 4 months ago and it's a game thread posted by a bot with 0 comments. There's also one on fanaticus.social with the last post from 7 months ago.
- Carolina Panthers -- There's one on fanaticus.social with 3 subscribers.
- Miami Heat -- There's one on lemmy.world with 10 subscribers.
- Pittsburgh Penguins -- Again, lemmy.world with 11 subscribers.
I'd love to get off reddit but until there's actually people to talk with, this place is just never going to meet the needs of sports content that I use Reddit for. I had no interest in Bluesky until some people actually got on it as well. The Shutdown Fullcast for college football brought a bunch of people and fans there so it gave some utility to the site. Without utility, there's no reason to be here.
In the early years fo Reddit, those wouldn't exist either. You have to start with bigger groups (NFL, NHL, etc) and split them if they ever get big enough.
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If the miniscule effort of signing up for a platform keeps someone away, they probably wouldn't be a good community member anyway.
You don't even have to sign up to view posts or comments.
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Reddit ux is also ass. Only difference between reddit and lemmy is that the federation bit is extremely confusing and not intuitive.
Maybe I’m more tech oriented than many, but I don’t find federation confusing at all. I’ve never understood why it’s described that way.
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Those comments are fairly meaningless. Federation wars? Where? There was some controversy like a year ago from why I recall and everyone has moved way on. I wouldn’t even consider that UX either.
Every other post is some worldist idiot whining about ml
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IMHO, the UX is bad, but the user base is also repellant. It's further left than Reddit so most people who jump in bounce right off. That's going to be difficult to change organically. Especially because most users respond to this with "good." So there's definitely no appetite to appeal to a wider audience. I predict Lemmy will become increasingly ideologically partisan and isolated.
Um… okay, if the fairly mainstream for our demographic politics here repels certain people, good.
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99% of users are going to check out when you ask which server they want to join
So Lemmy is filtering out people who can’t take 5 minutes to understand a simple concept and make a decision?
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I think the irony here is that the user-friendliness experience of Bluesky stems from it being a centralized service (in practice). I seriously doubt most people who signed up for Bluesky even understand what "decentralized social media" means.
I'm not saying Lemmy (and the greater Fediverse) can't improve, but it's clear that the biggest barrier for most people is the decentralized aspect itself -- the core of the Fediverse -- which is something one shouldn't really "hide".
As long as the state of social media usership demands centralized practices, then the Fediverse will forever be at a disadvantage in gaining mass adoption.
What I don’t get is why not pretend it’s centralized and just recommend a server when you introduce someone to lemmy instead of trying to teach them?
Oh you want an alternative to Reddit, here, go to lemmy.ca since your Canadian.
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Every other post is some worldist idiot whining about ml
I seriously have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Um… okay, if the fairly mainstream for our demographic politics here repels certain people, good.
Especially because most users respond to this with “good.”
good.
Your comedic timing is impeccable.
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Shut down as in someone shut down the website or people telling you that the idea is trash?
Shut down as in 'that's a terrible idea for the fediverse'
If it was public & randomly sorted to the fediverse Lemmy servers, I don't see how it would be an issue
