Proton's very biased article on Deepseek

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They very much do not believe that open source means safe or private. They have a tons of articles talking about the hurdles they have gone through to try and ensure they are, and where and when they have failed to do so.

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Then by default it should never be considered safe. Honestly, this "open" release... it makes me wonder about ulterior motives.

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I don’t see how what they wrote is controversial, unless you’re a tankie.

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The desperate PR campaign against deepseek is also very entertaining.

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For clarity the company did not explicitly support Trump. They simply stated negative things about the "corporate dems" and praised the new republican party.

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Ah my mistake, they didn't praise the fascist - just the fascist party. Big difference.

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Yeah the article is mostly legit points that if your contacting the chatpot in China it is harvesting your data. Just like if you contact open AI or copilot or Claude or Gemini they're all collecting all of your data.

I do find it somewhat strange that they only talk about deep-seek hosting models.

It's absolutely trivial just to download the models run locally yourself and you're not giving any data back to them. I would think that proton would be all over that for a privacy scenario.

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Exactly it's totally different.

And they never specifically praised the vice president they simply made some fucked up association that his attendance of an event meant he was on side contrary to pretty much every other indication that has ever been given.

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Seems reasonable to think part of the motivation is disrupting American tech like openAI

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That's not quite it either.

The model itself is just a giant ball of math. They made a thing that can transform an English through the collected knowledge of much of humanity a few dozen times and have it crap out a reasonable English answer.

The open source part is kind of a misnomer. They explained how they cooked the meal but not the ingredient list.

To complete the analogy, their astounding claim is that they managed to cook the meal with less fire than anyone else has by a factor of like 1000.

But the model itself is inherently safe. It's not like it's a binary that can carry a virus or do crazy crap. Even convincing it to do give planned nefarious answers is frankly beyond our capabilities so far.

The dangerous part that proton is looking at and honestly is a given for any hosted AI, is in the hosting server side of things. You make your requests to their servers and then their servers put the requests into the model and return you the output.

If you ask their web servers for information about tiananmen square they will block you.

You can, however, download the model yourself and run it yourself and there's not any security issues there.

It will tell you anything that you need to know about tiananmen square.

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What are the minimum system requirements to run something like deepseek on your own computer in some kind of firewall container?

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Is the chatbot interface that uses the model open source? If you self-host will it try to send data home?

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Yes. The entire thing is open source. That's the thing and why you're here asking questions.

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That's cool, I hope someone writes an article about how it works

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It's Open Source. Don't need an article.

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No I mean for someone to read the source and explain what they found or didn't find

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There are plenty of ways and they are all safe. Don't think of DeepSeek as anything more than a (extremely large, like bigger than a AAA) videogame. It does take resources, e.g disk space and RAM and GPU VRAM (if you have some) but you can use "just" the weights and thus the executable might come from another project, an open-source one that will not "phone home" (assuming that's your worry).

I detail this kind of things and more in https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence but to be more pragmatic I'd recommend ollama which supports https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1

So, assuming you have a relatively entry level computer you can install ollama then ollama run deepseek-r1:1.5b and try.

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FWIW I did just try deepseek-r1:1.5b (the smallest model available via ollama today) and ... not bad at all for 1.1Gb!

It's still AI BS generating slop without "thinking" at all ... but from the few tests I ran, it might be one of the "least worst" smaller model I tried.

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They explicitly said the Republicans were on the side of the little guy. I probably don't need to explain the awful shit that they're doing.

Saying they're "fighting for the little guys" while at the same time shitting on their political opponent is a clear show of support, and a clear show of bias.

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Why do they even have to give their goddamn opinion? Who asked? Why should they car

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Proton's very biased article on Deepseek