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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Should we then not be using the term syndication / network-syndication, or is that already to attached to other existent WWW technologies?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
    > a thread with 100 different origin posts

    Do you mean each post originating first post action and commitment occurred on a different platform while the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms all at the same time?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!

    Plus there is another maybe even better word i.e. federated > disseminated / propagated

    I believe propagate/propagation is even more accurate way to describe the adventures of efforts in the fediverse!

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    How about... the fediverse is like what happens when you build a bunch of interstates between big websites

    You could get into railroad and telegraph analogies to, draw your frame. It's the quantum location superposition of your post that's kinda the pickle to explain to the average noodle, or is it?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Here is an edited version of the wiki entry for the fediverse:

    >The fediverse is a collection of social networks that can communicate with each other using a common protocol. Users of different websites can send and receive status updates, multimedia files and other data across the network.

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Personally I think the word Federated is being used as if it was the word disseminated, which to me is more descriptively apt for common understanding.

    “your post is disseminated across multiple platforms at once… across the fediverse… and you are like a sun, each post a ray of light that eventually reaches planets... soon disparate planetary religions spring up worshipping your name spanning light years across many galaxies”

    Maybe not the last bit 😅

    Federated as it is used rather than it’s definition, seems more like a conflation shorthand of federation and dissemination into a single word placeholder, this might be my very personally arcane issue. 😁

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Going where no fediverse topic has gone before... not!

    https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-string-theory-2699363

    >String theory is a mathematical theory that tries to explain certain phenomena which is not currently explainable under the standard model of quantum physics.

    30 words or less people!

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee I am native posting only

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    caesar Yep that's it in a nutshell, nailed it, when it hits the "it just works" moment, this affords intuitive mass adoption

    0b18df20-c023-424f-a51a-1578a4884b7c-image.png

    Getting to that point is filled with blood sweat and tears.

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Sans researching this more, how about this:

    >In a field I shout @person who I know is in another field. I can not see them as they are far away, but they hear me and can reply and I hear them, in a world of separated fields distance is zero using @[email protected] under activity pub

    Does this work? I can't tell... you tell me.

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    eeeee

    Hey, In reverse I do the replying

    1. There was no cognitive model for the word "federated" in my head. Nothing happens when I read it. Federation. Federal. No problem here.

    I genuinely never encountered the "past tense" of the word until Activity Pub hit the scene and nothing happens, no connection. If I am the dull. So be it. You know. This is really the marketing point or the communication point.

    Guess what, federated still doesn't click, it is a mental block, I haven't gotten to the bit where I have the physical analogue for federated. Say for example after we get over the amazeballs of email, then we come across the CC or BCC, wow a mass mail out, basically wow that's cool, oh what there is junk mail too? All these existing real world analoges perfect communicated in a few words or just word, the matching precedence and experience.

    Federated. None. The email is example is used, I had to read it twice, I got ti the second time, but the engine still don't start. No fire lit. We're talking the light bulb moment 9and this is very different to the multitude of technical lightbulbs the tec/dev will encounter, the end user in the main, will not care to know as they will never have time to know, that's mass market)

    1. I'm just vining off the idea, how to explain it not the technical choices. However, we do live with it on community in the raw state, so there is that and I have reposeded to that. I suggested a filter or two types of modes iirc, I'll have to dig out that topic. Sunglasses or no sunglasses browsing.

    What I need to do is set up activity pub technically on something somewhere to enjoy the whole, to take the next step whenever that happens.

    I dunno yet if Activitypub is "wouldn't' it be cool if..." or "how did we do x to get to y before we had z, I'll never know!", the later is pending the former not unusual to be consigned to the due heap of thing time forgot.

    Additionally, there are now people who have completed grown up in a dn live live to much in cyberspace and cyberspace is actually retarding real space IMHO, the problems of cyberspace do not necessarily solve the problem of living space as much as they use to (mail > email). I think we're at a point where the things we engage and do are consuming more than it is now returning, and Ai is a clear milestone on that front.

    Broad points, but here is the challenge, explain Acitivyt Pub in 20 maybe 30 words, within or not a NodeBB context, or both.

    How about that as a challenge?

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

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    It’s the word “federated”, that has always gotten me.

    Federation yes, but in common parlance I don’t think I’d ever come across the word federated, and so it lacks an immediate referential model, it simply doesn’t click.

    Whereas take email as the analogy to my federated word problem.

    Everyone knew what mail was, this new one was simply electronic on or in the computer! Kinda magic. No paper. Beautiful. Wow attachments. Amazing. Solves so many material burdens. Awesome.

    Very easy to get conceptually, i.e. instant!

    Ugh but FEDERATED!

    Wtaf is federated. See/search the definition.

    It a medley of things about governments organisation etc. etc. most people don’t rightly know how their own govs truly work and most probably perceive it doesn’t work they know its probably big and bloated really wasteful full of unnecessary complexities. Sucks up your life via tax blah blah blah…

    …but email, ah email what an incredible innovation, even granny/grandma gets it!

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  • Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
    omega@community.nodebb.orgO [email protected]

    Finally the topic I’ve been waiting for.

    Honestly.

    Tbh. I have zoned out because of this and other non node related things.

    I haven’t had time to distill APub and often refer back to my own past concepts that seemed to resemble activitypub to get my noodle around it.

    So while I kinda get it I haven’t actually gotten into it.

    Discourse has had it for sometime too but APub is disorientating, bottom line it’s like where do I start and why do I even start? What is or where is the problem it has solved? (As a user or site admin/owner)

    If you can’t explain it in 20/30 words it will never gain mass appeal or adoption, if you can’t value it, it will remain invisible to the potential end user.

    Even the responses (good contributions) but to my problem still can’t encapsulate it enough to simply answer the question, simply.

    I had in early reaction to nascent implantation suggested, some UI changes to help with my own gut reaction to the interplay on community, but as time goes on I found the activity of activity pub really staring and amplify harmonies (theme) weak points to make skimming posts less appealing and of course life, and the times we live in too, getting in the way - Ah yea life that world outside but also the inner life too, perhaps the greater undiscovered country.

    So let me see. How can it or what can Activity pub nested in NodeBB do to enable or enhance that journey?

    Or are you actually (is NodeBB) on the right journey?

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