Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
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Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn't kill you?
12 Minutes that's what it was called !
I thought you were talking about Crusader Kings III
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shipping company should be able to refuse to ship products from businesses they don’t approve of
Sure, I don't have a problem with that. I would use another shipping company.
What about either of those companies refusing service to someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity?
That is not remotely the same thing and a gross false equivalence.
We're talking about platforming incest hentai games and you're making a comparison to serving Black and queer people. I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this, have a good one.
If you seriously don't understand how often queer content is falsely linked to sexual depravity in order to censor it, please take a closer look at the rhetoric of the far-right in the United States and U.K. It is absolutely not a false equivalence, it is a very serious threat that other queer game developers are now very concerned about.
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There is a lot of talk dancing around the issue here. This isn't an American thing or a Puritan thing. This is purely a capitalism thing. They have been doing this for years. Do you think lolicon got forced off of every major platform for moral reasons? It breaks laws in various counties that the web hosts and payment processors operate in. Wincest porn, CNC porn, Zoo Porn, NSFL stuff. It's all illegal somewhere. These companies are chasing profits. Those niche topics mentioned above lock them out of expanding into some places. Like China. They don't give a fuck about the ethics of the content. They care that they're loosing money by not being able to conduct business in those markets. They care that hosting it makes them a target and possible have to deal with law enforment of some country, fines, or vigilante style attacks on their network. You'll loose your little family harem video game. They don't care. They're making billions processing the main narket. It's capitalism and the global economy that's making your platforms more conservative.
"It's just good business." It pisses me off.
It's not unrelated to the puritanical thing. Otherwise they wouldn't be afraid of losing money facilitating payments for porn.
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Payment providers are run by fuckin’ puritans…
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Well I find it a bit ironic to invoke the "free market" while simultaneously asserting they should not be free to choose who they go to market with. Isn't the point of the "free market" that if Visa or Mastercard won't facilitate the needs of the market, someone else will?
Payment processors should be following the most free speech laws there are, because they have de facto monopolies. If they do have a choice though, if they don’t want to support porn, then they could choose not to be a payment processor.
Ideally they should be nationalised, or perhaps internationalised.
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I don't care about these games and not even about steam, but a payment provider having any power over what content a service offers is really bad. It's like your supermarket checking if you eat your food they sold you with cutlery.
I think a better example would be net neutrality. The whole purpose of the payment provider is to move money from Person A to Person B. Just like how ISP is meant to get you from Website A to Website B.
It would be like your ISP going "Woah there buckeroo. You can't go to Duck, Duck Go to search. We only let you go to Google."
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Not a fan of porn games (which aren't available here anyway), but that is not a good sign.
Why would they even cater to payment providers? They should not be able to determine whether you bought a porn game or a regular game, just that it's something on Steam.
Payment processors don't know which game you bought. That's not the concern.
Their concern is that the store they do business with provides services to content they deem inappropriate. Frankly, I'm surprised they allowed this much for so long given the past.
Why credit card processors are puritans, I have no idea. But MC, Visa and PayPal have historically always been super anti-porn.
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Does this mean they got rid of that one game where you drug your sister/wife repeatedly so a guy in the hallway doesn't kill you?
12 Minutes that's what it was called !
Does it count as repeatedly when its in a time loop?
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Payment processors don't know which game you bought. That's not the concern.
Their concern is that the store they do business with provides services to content they deem inappropriate. Frankly, I'm surprised they allowed this much for so long given the past.
Why credit card processors are puritans, I have no idea. But MC, Visa and PayPal have historically always been super anti-porn.
That is exactly why I don't understand why they have an issue with it.
They do not know if someone is using the store to buy porn games. So why care? Their concern should be profit, not national driven policies.
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I'm sure you have your limit too.
Otherwise you're lying to yourself. I think children not getting exposed for cartoon porn is a pretty good stop. Especially when the perpetrators seem to think it's harmless.
Stop pretending that furries is about anything other than fantasy of fucking your favorite cartoon please.
I’m sure you have your limit too.
Considering this is the very excuse used in practice right now to demonize very real people and take away their rights, I have very little sympathy for this argument that is entirely based on hypotheticals.
No. People should publish all the weird porn they want.
Especially when the perpetrators seem to think it’s harmless.
It is literally harmless. It's a fantasy.
fucking your favorite cartoon
I thought furries were usually original characters, but if someone wants to fuck Mickey Mouse, good for them.
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It’s kind of messy because I think there is a subset of the fandom where it isn’t necessarily sexualized. Like, Khajit and Argonians from Elder Scrolls are pretty much furries but they’re not explicitly sexual. Feel like I’m getting over my skis in terms of my understanding of that fandom since I’m not in that world. No idea how if at all those cons keep the kid safe stuff separate from the sex shit, if at all.
Yes, furry conventions that allow children do not allow children into 18+ spaces. At the very least there's always staff checking attendee badges which tend to say right on them if the attendee is an adult or not.
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Yes, furry conventions that allow children do not allow children into 18+ spaces. At the very least there's always staff checking attendee badges which tend to say right on them if the attendee is an adult or not.
Pretty much what I expected, thanks for confirming
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Does it count as repeatedly when its in a time loop?
I would argue that since the game requires you to do it multiple times to figure out what's going on, yes it does count as repeatedly.
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"Gambling/predictions" I bet most of your crypto goes there, eh?
No, I'm not rich enough to be wasting money and don't really enjoy feeling like my heart is going to jump out of my chest, gambling with literal pennies once in a blue moon is more of my style.
And no, I'm not clicking a link that says "money america" or "bazaar"
No worries, I'll post some screenshots for you.
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Those literally look like scam sites. How fucking dumb can cryptobros be???
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No, they were created to facilitate pyramid schemes and scams.
Not originally, but they became the very evil they sought to fight against. Some are still holding onto the good fight, most just see it as a virtual online casino.
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Those literally look like scam sites. How fucking dumb can cryptobros be???
Well, they're not. Monerica is just a repository with links and short description of monero accepting businesses and monero related stuff. Xmrbazaar is a p2p craigslist/facebook marketplace/ebay like service that uses monero instead of FIAT.
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I hope that the EU creates a digital currency system that is universal, and for privacy coins to become common. I don't want to deal with American payment processors, because they want to prevent me from supporting the people who make my life better.
Payment should be a dumb pipe, allowing me and you to uphold the social contract.
I hope too, but likely will be shut down by the US, for "unfair state meddling with the free market".
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Dude SWIFT has more financial power and sway than visa and mastercard. They're the folks who manage the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. So if they block you, you are fucked.
the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously.
Ah, so I guess Canada doesn't use them! Haha
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This is gold!! I'd love to read more about it!! It's very fascinating how payment system can control the type of content that is available for consumers
It was pretty wild. I wish I still had the list of visa/MC "no-nos"
I mean honestly the US government was more lax. all they wanted was us to ensure we were following the 2257 stuff and documenting all the talent.
surprisingly though American Express was a lot more "liberal" with this stuff. guess those dudes were just kinkier.
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That is exactly why I don't understand why they have an issue with it.
They do not know if someone is using the store to buy porn games. So why care? Their concern should be profit, not national driven policies.
They care because someone could see that it is possible to buy porn games in the steam interface (they could even make screenshots of a steam checkout page with both the name of a porn game and the visa/MasterCard/PayPal logos visible at the same time) and that would RUIN, RUIN I say, their good reputation..
Because bank's and payment provider do anything to keep their good reputation with the important people... advertisement companies and other Mc Scrounges
