Jewish Leaders Call for Boycott After Elon Musk's Nazi Salute, Holocaust Jokes

[nifty@lemmy.world]

I think it’s fair to say that when people are facing an existential threat they find it hard to criticize that which protects them. People should just be anti-genocide because leaders cannot be trusted all the time. But what are the chances that the Muslim citizens in Arab countries would protest if a genocide happens to their perceived enemies? Sometimes the best defense people have against authoritarianism is empathy, don’t let something happen to someone else that you don’t want happening to you.

[assassinatedbycia@lemmy.world]

Don’t believe your lying eyes people

[raouldook@lemmy.world]

You really have to be fucking brainwashed to believe that shit. HE DID IT TWICE IN A ROW THE EXACT SAME WAY

Not only did he do it twice in a row the same exact way, but he did a Nazi salute in the exact same manner as Adolf Hitler did and modern neo-nazis do.

No one can tell me that my eyes didn't see a Nazi salute when they did see it as plain as day.

What's REALLY fucked up is that people like you are still defending a Nazi salute. You are a Nazi apologist.

[timmy_jizz_tits@lemmy.world]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyPSKLy5E4&t=120s&pp=ygUZZWxvbiBtdXNrIEhpdGxlciBwcm9ibGVtIA%3D%3D

Just FYI. Also, notice the date. It's 10 months old and they updated the thumbnail because of how obviously correct they were. Elon Musk was born white and rich in apartheid era south Africa. His family migrated there from Canada after ww2 specifically because the race dynamics at the time. He openly touts blatantly eugenic ideology, fathers 12 children and freezes his sperm because of that ideology. Him doing a nazi salute and making nazi jokes in the aftermath is him just waving his dick around because he knows there's an army of fucking empty headed dumb fucks that will defend him.

[maccentric@sh.itjust.works]

So a Scarface reference?

[ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml]

Many sources are saying he did a nazi salute because, wait for it... He did a nazi salute.

[wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works]

Always has been. Pre WW2 socialist Jewish currents pretty much all unanimously opposed Zionism.

[duamerthrax@lemmy.world]

they’re forgetting that Nazis were and are very Christian.

They're forgetting about "Group 13" as well.

[zigzagzebra@lemmy.world]

yeah, I think context really matters here. He also made these jokes on Jan 23, the day that Auschwitz was liberated, and is held as a day of remembrance. He's got a dog train whistle.

[yarr@feddit.nl]

Yeah, but other than one of the largest Jewish advocacy groups who else is defending him? What would the ADL know about antisemitism anyway?

[landedgentry@lemmy.zip]

I know what I saw. Not all of us suffer from MAGA brain rot.

[landedgentry@lemmy.zip]

Yes! If it resembles a sieg heil it should be condemned!

[ayyy@sh.itjust.works]

Obvious bait

[kreskin@lemmy.world]

They didn’t deny the genocide

thats BS. The ADL does deny the genocide, in that link I sent.

If the ADL supports genocide causes, its a genocide organization. If you support the ADL, you are supporting an Israeli genocide or Palestine. Same as when the german nazis were having their genocide. Your playing stupid about that is exactly the stupid I was talking about in my previous comment.

I don't care if you are jewish or not, and I never said anything abotu jewish people, I said it about the Israeli nazi ADL. You're just bringing your self righteousness to the table to whine. I'm not interested in your equivocations designed to distract and excuse Israel nazis. I dont see your personal jewishness is relevant to this topic.

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Holy shit. Defending what?

[canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org]

Are you saying we shouldn't believe our lying eyes? It was a Nazi salute and the emperor has no clothes.

[tree_frog@lemm.ee]

Wasn't it also Martin Luther King Jr Day?

[bigfab@lemmy.world]

That isn't antisemitic at all!

[yarr@feddit.nl]

You're right, anyone making that gesture is a Nazi:

[kreskin@lemmy.world]

@flying squid, part of the problem:
"85% of American Jewish adults believe it is important for the U.S. to support Israel"

https://www.ajc.org/news/ajc-survey-shows-american-jews-are-deeply-and-increasingly-connected-to-israel

People generally do not think about a population with statistical terms. Humans are tribalist and much prefer binary thinking and always have. Linguists say that is not going to change and will get worse. I hear that our embrace of stats in the later 1900s was an aberation in the arc of historical rhetoric.

So the question becomes, when does a random fellow human feel its right to make generalizations?
when its 50% +1 (aka "more right than wrong")
99%?
99.999%
or only at 100%?
Given, its a sliding scale dependent on the harm being done by making the assumption. If this decision kills someone, people generally will not make an assumption unless they are in an incited mob. If it will irritate or unfairly characterize you, nobody cares, and they will feel free to assume.

surety at 100% is obviously the ideal answer, but humans will never approach that because its too much work. We dont care about the uniqueness of individuals who self identify into a group. Most people tend much more toward 50%+1 than 100% in their thinking. Being one of the 15% of outliers of a group is not a great place to be at.

Theres also the problem of crypto nazis as well. People who are secretly in favor of genocide but wont admit it outright. Humans lie, we all know this, so embracing someone on their word is not a successful strategy. We have to watch their actions instead. And we get tired of looking earnestly for outliers. Sorry, its not fair, but as far as I can tell its how humanity works, broadly speaking. Additionally, people do recognize that a lot of manipulation and marketing shenanigans has been going on around the Palestinian genocide. Yes, we are stupid, but we are just smart enough to see how ham-fisted that effort was. Thats not even going into what happened in the last election.

And theres the problem of aggregation. Sure any one member of a group stands a 15% chance of being against the genocide, but when 3 people get together, whats the odds that they are all against genocide? It drops from 15% per person to 3 tenths of one percent for a group of 3 all being members of that minority. This assumes uniform distribution of that viewpoint across a defined population.