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Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft.

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  • G [email protected]

    Why aren't russian people allowed to upload code. Why does the US get to dictate everything

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    Microsoft is a US based company. They cannot legally make business with sanctioned entities. And since it's not profitable for them - they just made a geoblock
    geoblock

    Could MS ignore the sanctions in that case? probably

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    • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI [email protected]

      Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think

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      Ironically the US is more likely to drop the sanctions before Germany, where Codeberg is based.

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        Gitea has basic federation, I believe

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        Gitea is where Forgejo forked from.

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          Does that work?

          Is it right to tell random people "hey you, it's your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us"?

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          “Is it right?” Are you kidding? Yes, it’s obviously a better alternative than invading another country and killing people. It’s one of the ways we have learned, as a species, to avoid massive wars and losses of life. If you’re advocating for war as an alternative then you should fuck off and die so you don’t get other people killed in the process.

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          • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgX [email protected]

            By what standard is GitLab not a “capitalist platform”? It feels even more corporatey than GitHub. From their homepage:

            GitLab is the most comprehensive AI-powered DevSecOps Platform.

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            Yeah but it's not Microsoft-controlled

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            • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

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              This was always going to jappen datahoarders we have to mirror all of github!

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              • D [email protected]

                Could you like, stop policing other peoples speech? I am sure they know they can say shit on the internet, they just choose not to.

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                Some people just like swearing, it seems. Like it makes them feel like an adult or something, I dunno. Duck it.

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                  Aren't they now based in Estonia since when the company was established?

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                  They can be de jure in Estonia and de facto wherever they want.

                  E.g OnlyOffice claim to be based in baltics too, but the development office is still in Nizhniy Novgorod(russia).

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                    So what about the organic map users. They should ban the contributor if they need to ban it soo bad.

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                    that's practically impossible. TOR is alive and well, as if any rando in any country sanctioned by the u.s. cares.

                    of course they could Great China Firewall the shit out of everything and still fail.

                    but we're on the downward spiral, so be gleeful!

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                    • P [email protected]

                      Does that work?

                      Is it right to tell random people "hey you, it's your job to break local laws and topple your dictator, we could invade you with actual trained military people but that would be inconvenient for us"?

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                      Is a strictly enforced economic sanction better than an all out regime change invasion/occupation of another sovereign country that costs the lives of millions... we'll have to get back to you on that one.

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                      • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                        I assume most Russian GitHub users use a VPN to avoid it. He has chosen not to in order to make a point.

                        The real worry is what happens when the US declares sanctions on random allies in their stupid "trade war"...

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                        Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc... then it starts to get interesting.

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                          I'm looking forward to the time Forgejo starts supporting Forgefed

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                          Yeah with their recent grant it looks like it’s the next priority, that will be pretty neat:

                          https://floss.social/@forgefed/114002790388336170

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                          • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneI [email protected]

                            Some contributer got flagged by US sanctions based on their IP, I think

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                            That's weird. Russians and Americans aren't sanctioned from working on projects together. The sanctions are mostly targeted towards industry and defense. Tucker Carlson works for Russian media and freely travels between the two countries. There has to be something more to this, like the IP came from a known state actor.

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                            • mitm0@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                              Yeah but it's not Microsoft-controlled

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                              Gitlab was created by a Ukrainian, and Microsoft is blocking Organic maps Russian developer due to sanctions due to war on ukraine, which is why what you're suggesting is pretty cursed

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                                This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can't use Github, not because "microsoft bad" (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated too.

                                Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.

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                                  So a person that happens to be iving in a sanctioned country, makes them banned? Bullshit

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                                  Yes,you understand how sanctions work.

                                  A person living in a sanctioned country can also no longer buy certain things, travel to certain countries or use certain services.
                                  You couldn't buy a Boeing Plane during WW2 in Germany as well...

                                  And considering that Russia is waging a fucking genocidal war and a hybrid war in Europe and a majority (according to relatively independent statistics) of the population stil supports that shit and has done so for a long time (when they still could have changed course) it's god damn right these sanctions exist.

                                  BTW: Cuba is being sanctioned by the US for simply nationalising US held companies (Fidel Castro wasn't that much of a communist in the beginning) since 1960 and basically none gave or gives a rats ass.

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                                    Everyone who is censored, everyone who abuses their mod powers; it just creates an opportunity for people to pick up the slack and create better communities.

                                    You only have yourselves to blame, dickhead mods.

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                                      This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can't use Github, not because "microsoft bad" (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated too.

                                      Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.

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                                      Remember kids, racism and bigotry are always okay if it's against the right people.

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                                      • O [email protected]

                                        Boycott all US based services.

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                                        American here, please do this.

                                        All of our companies are run by scumbags taking advantage of useful idiots. We need more options and legitimate competition.

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                                        • chaoticentropy@feddit.ukC [email protected]

                                          Once the US starts saying that nobody who trades with the US can deal with Canada, Denmark, Mexico, etc... then it starts to get interesting.

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                                          Or if the US fucks up enough for the rest of the world to put a UNO reverse card on the US.
                                          If China and the EU do that, the US is fucked within a few months.
                                          A "you can't trade with either of these markets when you trade with the US" would be interesting.

                                          And tbh, from what I gather it's absolutely a option that is being discussed in diplomatic circles. The main reason it's not on the table is the huge amount of debts the USA has in China. And the EU will use it as a backup arrow for "further escalation".
                                          Maybe someone should tell Trump who actually delivers the machines for the factories he wants to "bring back".
                                          Hint: It's not the US.

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