HR people smiling at you thinking that you are a complete moron
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You can be sexist to both women and men.
Nice. Equality at last.
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This is why I have so far refused to be a people manager. I'm not going to be able to emotionally handle laying someone off.
Same, I couldn't take it. It's hard to be in that position without feeling like a traitor.
Actually both times I got laid off my managers took the day off to hide while HR did their wetwork, only reaching out later to gush about how bad they felt.
Kind of cowardly tbh, but I get it—that's why we aren't managers.
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Yeah you can. You forfeit UI if you quit voluntarily. You’d only lose it if you got fired for doing something illegal, I think
That's my understanding too.
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Can't they just file a police report suggesting you stole it? It's the government's job then and since the police barely have to investigate anything they are sure to actually do something. That's a quick way to get a search warrant filed.
No, at least not in the US. It does not meet the legal definition of theft because (I believe) the property was initially acquired legally.
Otherwise, the police would be doing repo for things like delinquent car loans, which is dystopian corporate hellscape stuff.
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Since its clear you are a bad worker leave off a few important task. They can chalk it up later to themselves as proof they made the right decision when those tasks fall through the cracks.
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What's the difference between being laid off and being fired?
A lay off is generally broad in scope. A department might get laid off.
Firings are usually with cause and individual. You are fired for showing up late every day. You're laid off when they simply don't need you anymore.
This varies from state to state across the US and probably only applies here, but if you're fired with cause, you generally don't get unemployment benefits. If you're laid off you might get a severance on top of unemployment.
Particularly shitty companies will always fire as many people as they can prior to a lay off. A big part of HR's job at these organizations is making sure they have a case to fire as many people as possible at any given time. If you've ever worked in any call center in the US, you've been subjected to this, knowingly or not. They'll document a handful of even the slightest grievances and make sure they have two in the chamber at any given time for any given employee, so if it looks like they need to get rid of a lot of people in the near future they'll start digging for a third infraction.
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I got laid off about five and a half years ago, at the start of Covid. The meeting was with my manager and his boss (who I was also friendly with). I got a meeting invite and asked if we could push it back an hour so I could drive my wife to work, they said sure. I told my wife on the drive that I was getting laid off. Sure enough, I was. They paid me five weeks severance and gave me resources to file for unemployment. It was due to Covid causing a huge drop in money coming in, which was understandable. Honestly, I didn't like my job, I had already hired a company to rewrite my resumé. So it worked out. At least my boss and his boss had the spine to do it personally. I'll always give them credit for that.
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Ready to be laid off, i can feel it coming considering the economy feels like its on stilts and my company scrapping the bottom of the barrel for projects to work on.
I don't own anything and don't have anybody.
Prepared for my NEET life.
If you don't have anybody, it will be hard to be a neet. They are usually maintained by someone else (mostly parents)
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Yeah you can. You forfeit UI if you quit voluntarily. You’d only lose it if you got fired for doing something illegal, I think
Depends on the state but basically they have to prove it was for cause. You being late nonstop and being fired? No UE. You getting fired for "no call no show" when you ha e the phone records to prove you called in and you have no disciplinary record? You'll get UE.
I got "fired" once in my life right before a big round of layoffs for the above reason. This was in TX so my UE got denied right out of the gate but when I appealed the company didn't even bother showing up.
It was a pretty slam dunk case of them reaching and pulling shit out of their ass so I won the appeal.
Always appeal, especially in republican states where they default to siding with the companies.
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What's the difference between being laid off and being fired?
Lay offs aren't related to your behaviour. Just that they cannot afford to keep you.
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Ready to be laid off, i can feel it coming considering the economy feels like its on stilts and my company scrapping the bottom of the barrel for projects to work on.
I don't own anything and don't have anybody.
Prepared for my NEET life.
Hope you will find a new job soon, It really sucks to find a job in these times
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Never bought a Mac before, but what the hell are the specs in a $7k Macbook? I didn't think they went over $3k.
Probably equivalent to about a $2k PC.
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You can't collect unemployment if you get fired.
The specifics will vary by jurisdiction. The state I live in, you can collect unemployment if fired but it has to be determined that you were not fired for noncompliance with workplace policies or illegal actions. For example if you stole from the cash register and got caught and fired you would not be able to collect unemployment. But if you were fired for poor performance you can receive unemployment
I learned this after a recent workplace decided to make up performance reasons to fire me. The state opened an investigation to determine if unemployment benefits should be paid out, which involved asking both myself and the previous employer about the stated reasons for the discharge, if any written or verbal warnings were given, etc. Hilariously my old employer dropped the entire line of reasoning and just said "it didn't work out" when the investigator for the state spoke with them. I also then learned that the maximum unemployment benefit in my state is only $1200/month which won't cover most folks rents so that's practically useless!
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the insulting thing out of it is I paid for his beers! he KNEW I was getting laid off and didn't say "hey...maybe I should be paying for these" nope, gladly accepted my money. He tried to contact me after the fact and I just blocked him.
Some people dont have the guts for it.
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That HR lady is totally breedable.
I'm usually quite a big fan of not having any prjunddices against people just because they are part of a certain group, gender etc. But please just shut the fuck up. Why do some people (often enough men) simply have to think with their dick and be disgusting human beings?
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Since its clear you are a bad worker leave off a few important task. They can chalk it up later to themselves as proof they made the right decision when those tasks fall through the cracks.
All important tasks. Let them figure it out
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I remember years and years ago when I still a regular employee I got into work one morning to find I no longer had access to any git repos. nothing. Well already knew the reason right then and there. I usually got in before everyone else so by the time people were coming into the office I was packing my stuff up to leave. People were all "where are you going?" I said "well I either got fired or laid off so I'm leaving, I'm not sitting through a bullshit meeting telling me why I was laid off"
wiped the laptop, wiped my externals, walked out, went and sat in a coffee shop to revise my resume. I got a call like an hour later asking me where I was and why I didn't attend the meeting I was apparently schedule for. I replied with "you laid me off" few minutes later they email me back saying they'll just send my ROE and last paycheque in the mail and then proceeded to explain why I and a few other devs were laid off. I didn't bother reading the rest of it.
Then I decided to become a freelancer and never looked back. best decision I made.
What REALLY annoyed me about the whole thing was I thought I was good friends with the IT guy that set up access to everything, he was the one that revoked my access the night before and didn't tell me. I was literally having a beer with him that night and he never said a word. out of everything that hurt the most. never spoke to him again.
To give benefit of the doubt maybe IT guy was told HR already let you know? Still sucks overall good choice in freelancing.
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What's the difference between being laid off and being fired?
You het fired for being bad at work, coming in late, etc.
You get laid off for "we don't wanna pay you anymore."
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I got laid off about five and a half years ago, at the start of Covid. The meeting was with my manager and his boss (who I was also friendly with). I got a meeting invite and asked if we could push it back an hour so I could drive my wife to work, they said sure. I told my wife on the drive that I was getting laid off. Sure enough, I was. They paid me five weeks severance and gave me resources to file for unemployment. It was due to Covid causing a huge drop in money coming in, which was understandable. Honestly, I didn't like my job, I had already hired a company to rewrite my resumé. So it worked out. At least my boss and his boss had the spine to do it personally. I'll always give them credit for that.
Interestingly for me, the bosses I got along with always got fired first. Both companies I got laid off from had several rounds of layoffs, and in both cases my boss was round 4, and I was round 5 several months later.
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I got laid off about five and a half years ago, at the start of Covid. The meeting was with my manager and his boss (who I was also friendly with). I got a meeting invite and asked if we could push it back an hour so I could drive my wife to work, they said sure. I told my wife on the drive that I was getting laid off. Sure enough, I was. They paid me five weeks severance and gave me resources to file for unemployment. It was due to Covid causing a huge drop in money coming in, which was understandable. Honestly, I didn't like my job, I had already hired a company to rewrite my resumé. So it worked out. At least my boss and his boss had the spine to do it personally. I'll always give them credit for that.
When I've had to let people go, I've always believed it important to do it personally. It's difficult, but it's part of the duty of a boss to face the person they're letting go.
I've been accused of being cold when doing it, but that's because I don't feel like I have the right to show the emotional impact on me when it's someone else's life being wrecked.
I've also violated company policy several times and given glowing reviews of former staff instead of simply confirming they worked at the company.
